Corbyn and No Confidence

A Jewish friend of mine, someone who has been an active member of the Labour party for 40 plus years talked with anger and sorrow about Corbyn's behaviour and comments at the anti semitism meeting. My friend does not support the Israeli prime minister or the governments actions towards the Palestinians but is in despair about the way the Jewish community is treated and spoken of by many on the left, including JC.

JessM , Corbyn refused to join tv debates

Can labour ever win an election on the votes of grass roots members only?

Did anyone watch Corbyn questioned on the anti semitism report by the Select Committee yesterday ? Asked why he didn't speak out and stop the young female MP being heckled by that chap Corbyn replied - I wasn't the chairman , the reply from a member of the committee was - you are the leader . Then asked if he regretted Calling Hamas his friends he replied - with hindsight yes.

I don't the problem is Blair v Corbyn , Blair is not an MP. It's centre v far left , the MP's are fighting to stop the far left taking over the party .

The Campaign was dominated by the Tories and by the press's fascination in the Tory leadership battle. This happened the minute Johnson joined the Leave campaign. There was very little coverage of anything or anybody else - other than the ghastly Farage who the press have always followed around with their tongues hanging out. There was one day in the last week when Cameron kindly backed off to let other parties have a bit of coverage. Corbyn would have had to resort to making speeches naked and smeared in woad to get their attention.
So when you talk about the dishonourable shambles Eleothan I can only conclude that you mean the Cameron, Johnson, Gove and Farage circus.
Labour supporters voted Remain in the same proportion as SNP supporters. Nobody is calling for Sturgeon to step down.

I went to an evening fringe meeting held by the Fabian Society during the Labour Party conference last year. John McTernan was a speaker there and I found him to be a most unpleasant man. Of course, as Blair's former director of political operations, he would broach no criticism whatsoever of Blair or the increasingly Tory-lite policies of New Labour, and was extremely rude about anyone who dared to think or say otherwise. He made quite clear his sneering distaste for Corbyn and his supporters or anyone who didn't agree with the "New Labour" doctrine and so it is hardly surprising that, under the guise of concern for the Labour Party and the country, he is putting the boot in.

I don't understand what is meant by Corbyn's "intransigence". He supported the Remain campaign and has been criticised by some people in both the Remain and the Leave campaigns for either not joining in the general hysteria and hyperbole in order to convince people to stay or for not joining the equally hysterical Leave campaign. He was voted in by a huge majority and that suggests to me that he has the support of a large number of grassroots members. Is it right that those members' views be totally disregarded on the grounds that MPs' views and values should override those of the people who actually voted them in?

I think the whole referendum campaign was a dishonourable shambles and most of its spokespeople have been equally dishonourable. It is widely felt that Boris Johnson was not wholly committed to the Leave project and there have been similar comments about Andrea Leadsom. Theresa May kept her head down completely in respect of her support for Remain but there has been little criticism of her and, indeed, the mainstream press and media seem to be throwing their weight behind her leadership bid.

1983, I am tired and have been working on dates in the 19th century most of the day, apologies

I didn't think the Labour Party existed in 1883

And I think he is right thatbags. What surprises me are the labour supporters who have made no reference to the 1883 election and what followed and we are racing that way again.

Here's a bit of common sense from John McTernan, Blair's director of political operations 2005-7:

‘Doctor, doctor, I feel like a pair of curtains!” “Well, pull yourself together then!” A bad medical joke seems appropriate as, more than anything, the Labour Party appears to need clinical help. Jeremy Corbyn, its leader, has lost the support of 80 per cent of Labour MPs and cannot appoint a full shadow cabinet. Yet the best Corbyn’s Twitter army can do is the hashtag #ChickenCoup, an infantile insult that reduces the leadership struggle to a playground game. “Dare you!” “Chicken!”

Now it seems to have reached stalemate. Jeremy Corbyn knows he should go. The stress is showing in his face. Tom Watson, the deputy leader, who has a bigger heart than many credit him with, is desperate to find a way for Corbyn to bow out with dignity. Yet while Tom attempts to talk to Jeremy, senior figures round the leader are trying to make sure he stays. Others in the leader’s office know that their next step is in a new job, yet Seumas Milne, the party’s strategy director, wants Corbyn to stay whatever the cost. Almost alone among the parliamentary Labour Party, John McDonnell feels the same. For them, ideology trumps all: they are both from the ultra-left.

“Whole sight,” wrote John Fowles, “or all the rest is desolation.” There is no better advice for Jeremy Corbyn. Look at yourself, look at your situation and do the right thing. You have changed the Labour Party, broadening its membership, opening it to new voices. You have changed the terms of debate. Labour is an anti-austerity party (but so is the Tory party now). However, when Osborne dumped his deficit targets this week, Labour could not exploit that because you and your intransigence were the only story.

Corbyn pulling himself together is necessary but not sufficient. The party has to pull itself together, too. The UK faces its greatest peacetime challenge: how to negotiate the best possible settlement with the EU. That needs a government on its mettle, hounded and kept honest and accountable by a disciplined opposition. When internal politics dominate everyone’s thinking, the external world is forgotten and the national interest is neglected.

There are no easy choices facing the UK over the next couple of years. There is one, though, for Corbyn and Labour: he must go, and go now.

Nous means common sense!

You must be joking!

Sorry .jalima I meant - nous means having intelligence

Jen, May wasn't leader , Corbyn was leader, and leaders lead

Anya,Ptelling someone to get off their high horse is rude

Jalima, if I didn't understand your post I will apologise , I can't copy and paste but will wuote your opinion on floating voters

'In fact the ones who have the nous to change government'

As nous means lacking in Intelligence , did you mean those who stayed with the same party were lacking in intelligence ?

Durhamjen

Perhaps the Conservative Party were/are more open to the idea that their MP's should vote in accordance with their own personal judgement not toe a party line.

As you intimate dj, Corbyn's lacklustre performance was the excuse needed to get rid.

AB I have not been rude to you. I don't understand what you are on about.

I have mixed feelings, Jalima.

There was a lot more money available in schools and they started SureStart, which was a positive move. My daughter benefited from EMA when she was in the Sixth Form and I was ill/unemployed.

I disliked the way Ed Balls started micro-managing teaching and Ofsted became a monster.

I had very serious concerns about the Iraq war.

Gordon Brown gets a lot of stick for the 2008 credit crunch, but at the time he was praised for what he did. If he hadn't stepped in to save the banks, many people would have lost savings. I don't know why Labour put up with the myth that they caused the credit crunch, because they didn't. The sub prime mortgages in the US did.

Or anyone who voted to remain?

By the way, Jalima, I like your idea of the Floating Voters party, but I'm not sure it will work.
How do you decide what your constitution will be?

Can't decide how to join in this bickering, so I thought I'd go back to a thought I had on trisher's OP and what has happened since.
Corbyn is being criticised for his perceived stance in the remain debate, and asked to stand down as leader.
Theresa May did even less for the remain side than Corbyn did, but she looks set to become the new PM.
Can anyone who voted to leave explain this?

It's called getting a taste of your own medicine I suppose.

I didn't even vote Labour in 1997, although I was very glad that they won after what had gone before
daphnedill I thought they would be a breath of fresh air.
How wrong could I be.

I am not patronising and mocking anniebach, I was just trying to explain something which you then seemed to mock and put words into my mouth which I never said.
I apologised about many and most and never said anything about lack of intelligence which you then posted.

Best to go if you think I am childish, before I throw my toys out of the pram.


feel free to keep manipulating whatever I say, it's a politician's gambit; I am not the political person in this conversation.

@Jalima

I didn't even vote Labour in 1997, although I was very glad that they won after what had gone before.