Corbyn and No Confidence

Except, possibly, for Corbyn.

They are going to have to come up with more exciting and dynamic alternatives than Tom Watson and Angela Eagle to encourage members to vote for them

No, trisher, I don't believe that Labour MP's would sit back and allow the Leave campaign to win so that they could get rid of Jeremy. The media has been reporting information from those within the campaign that JC's office were unhelpful. Alan Johnson who led the campaign is now backing the campaign to replace JC because he doesn't believe JC can lead the party to win an election. He is also highly critical of JC's aides who he felt undermined, or did not fully support the Remain campaign.
Yes, Chilcot is due any day now Anya and it seems that many of JC's supporters believe that the "plot" to get rid of him is so that the news covers that, in order to keep attention away from inevitable criticism of Blair that the report will contain. This, it seems, is one of the reasons the terms "Blairite" is being used against honourable people like Hilary Benn. It makes me want to weep for the Labour party. JC's supporters blame his critics for breaking up the Labour party but where does his responsibility lie?
The government has indeed back tracked on some of its proposals but my belief is that has been down to public outcry, including from tory voters, rather than entirely down to JC as his supporters claim.

Trisher, Alan Johnson. Harriet Harmen, Gordon Brown, Ed Milliband, just a few well known labour MP's who campaigned for Remain.

They're prominent, but none of them is a frontbencher.

Saw Gordon Brown once and Ed Milliband once, Kate Hoey was on everything.

The Leave group led a more interesting and committed campaign. I suspect that made it more newsworthy, along with Boris who will always work the cameras to his advantage (and makes people laugh) All their main speakers led on their 3 main issues, take back the country, have strong borders and the money currently going to Europe can go to the NHS. All those claims have been debunked and back tracked on by main Leave spokespeople since the result.
The Remain campaign didn't challenge these claims effectively. It was lack lustre and towards the final days looked desperate imo. I'm a Remain voter by the way.

These talks of plots is so ridiculous now, conspiracies abound. Surely the party going through all this to protect Blair is damn stupid , it belongs in a fairy tale book. The enquiry will be released , fact. The shadow cabinet who resigned over the weekend are not sodding blairites . They are loyal party MP's . Hilary Benn and Angela Eagle are Blairites ? Blairites are MP's like Hunt and Co, they are not prepared to die for Blair, they believe in new labour. The Labour Party has always has left, soft left and centre MP's, as the Tories have always had centre and far right .

I support those who resigned at the weekend , Corbyn let then down , they were fighting for remain , Corbyn made one tv appearance , even then he only addressed the young. Now he is claiming he owes it to those who voted for him to remain leader ,

NO, Corbyn , you owe it to party members and party supporters to resign .

I can't help thinking that JC is a man who sat on the back benches for 40 years and the general public knew little/nothing about him. What did he do in those 4 decades that he was never singled out for a post? Then suddenly he's the leader of the Party.

Since then people have been telling us what a nice man he is, honourable and true to his beliefs, but he's never looked or sounded like a leader and belonged on the back benches where he was clearly very comfortable.

He's out of his depth and has been since those first days when it was clear he had been jettisoned into the leader's role with no plan. Fail to plan, plan to fail.

Once he knew he was in the running he should have sat down with colleagues and drawn up a shadow cabinet. Instead of which he was scrabbling around behind closed doors with the Press outside listening to the disarray. He had to be reminded to include a woman! He's not looked like a leader since day one. The sad thing is that the Labour Party has only themselves to blame.

The leave group had the Tory press supporting them, the cameras followed Johnson . TheBBC was so for the Tories

I agree with you about the right wing press Anniebach, only the Daily Mirror and the Guardian aren't on the right these days sadly. The Mail and the Sun have a lot of influence but that isn't new is it. The LP /Left need to be more effective in challenging the simplistic take on complex issues that those two papers in particular print daily.
I know that the BBC is being accused of right wing bias but that isn't my experience. I listen to radio 5 live phone ins which are always balanced on all sides of an argument. I listen to Jeremy Vine phone ins but find JV such a light weight, so centred on London that I tune him out and listen to the callers. Radio 4 is my main radio news outlet and I watch a variety of BBC, Channel 4 and Sky on tv. (I do have a life as well, honest) You're right in saying the cameras followed Boris - that's the point I made, he is so good at presenting himself and he makes people laugh. I don't think many of us will be laughing if we end up with him as PM.
I find Channel 4 7 pm news the most informative, well researched and presented. I don't think you can accuse them of bias and their reports reflected the more positive Leave campaigning.

Anniebach, but what about Corbyn's ideologies. Will they be lost with a new leader?

Some may be obieone, not all MP's want to get rid of trident . I believe all labour MP's share the same values and beliefs , they wouldn't have joined labour if thry didn't eould they?

I think the Labour Party needs to learn from the Leave campaign, which reduced the whole debate to a few central ideas and then kept on repeating them. Obviously we now know most of them were lies, but people believed them. Hopefully the Labour Party can come up with some genuine selling points, not lies.

I could never understand why Miliband and his shadow cabinet ever let the Conservatives get away with the idea that it was Gordon Brown who caused the 2008 crash, when it quite clearly wasn't. They should have kept repeating what actually happened in simple terms, but they didn't. I remember watching discussion programmes etc and wanting to throw something at the telly.

Whoever becomes the next party leader needs to be able to challenge everything the Conservatives claim and to keep at it. They also need to tackle the immigration debate head on. Unless they do, I fear that the 'immigrants steal our jobs' refrain will continue to haunt them.

By the way, I'd like to see Keir Starmer given an opportunity to show what he can do. I assume he's not a Corbyn supporter, but he's been very impressive in the interviews I've seen him do.

Iam, I must now follow C4 news, I tend to stick with the Beeb just because I always have. When I accuse the Beeb of being biased, I am speaking of BBC tv

Labour advisor Thomas Pikety resigns from his position due 'weak campaign'.

I was watching a spokesman on Daily Politics from London Young Labour who are calling for Corbyn to resign, due to his weak performance.

Unions ? They usually move out of the starting blocks pretty sharpish have any of them declared support for Corbyn yet?

It's a case of who shouts loudest at the moment and the grass roots activists are good at that, difficult to challenge them as compromise is not usually an option .

Pat Glass accepted a role on Monday as Shadow Education Secretary has resigned today!

If we have a general election before we are out of the EU the Labour party needs a new leader who is prepared to work with other parties. The LibDems, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymri and possibly some NI parties might be prepared to support a Labour leader in the interests of saving the UK but Jeremy Corbyn is not that leader

As a new LP member I feel very conflicted about the whole Corbyn debacle. The type of consensus politics which he practices, and which I am attracted to does not sit well with the vicious cut and thrust and media influenced politics of today. It seems to me that principles and honesty are virtues that come way down the list of so called leadership qualities. Seems the Tories have got it right.

Exactly Lazigirl, MP's are accused of being liars, money grabbing, in it for themselves , along comes a politician honest, principled ,who is ripped to bits by the media , and the public cry - we need charm and charisma

As a member of many years may I say don't despair , labour will win through , there are great labour MP's ,some are new , some are old timers

Annie do you really think it is in the interest of either the Labour party or the country for Corbyn to hang on???

No Varian I do not and have said so several times in the last few days, it's difficult saying this , he is a good man but I expect him to put the party first , the pity is some didn't put the party first when Corbyn was elected Hilary Benn and Angela Eagle did

We do not need charm and charisma, but we do want someone who is capable of exercising leadership. One of the qualities of leadership is commanding loyalty. A man, who over the years, has voted against his party over 300 times is in no position to command loyalty because he has never shown it himself.

Presumably Corbyns 'principles' include disrupting the party he belongs to at every opportunity. It beggars belief to accept that everyone of those votes was made on a basis of deeply held principle. If it was then what on earth was he doing belonging to a party to whose every policy he had such deep rooted principled objection?

Anyway, even if more MPs were prepared to give him the loyalty he never gave his leaders. The people who really count are the electorate, all 40 million plus of them and so far they are profoundly unimpressed by him.

The purpose of politics is to get elected, not form a prayer meeting of like-minded people

Oh, you do need "charm and charisma". Don't you believe otherwise.Why do you think Milligan failed?