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Corbyn and No Confidence

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trisher Fri 24-Jun-16 15:20:49

MPs are proposing a vote of No Confidence in Corbyn, but we all know they didn't want him in the first place. Could it be that these MPs kept quiet during the run up to the referendum and are now just taking advantage of a situation they helped create? Is a leader only as strong as the generals that stand behind them?

crun Mon 27-Jun-16 17:50:42

" What percentage of the 'entire' vote does the poll company rely on for factual information?"

Sampling error depends on the absolute size of the sample, not the size of the sample as a percentage of the total. For political polls a typical sample size is 500-1000, so a sample of 12369 is huge, and gives a sampling error of just under 1%.

Anya Mon 27-Jun-16 18:45:34

Apparently Angela Eagle is ready to throw her hat into the ring.

NO! Anyone but her shock

Anniebach Mon 27-Jun-16 18:53:21

Sorry Monica, cannot give you an answer because your question is rather silly

Anniebach Mon 27-Jun-16 18:55:01

I like Angela Eagle, neither a Corbyn follower or a Blairite , leader ? Doubt it

Lazigirl Mon 27-Jun-16 19:01:52

With regard to Corbyn as leader, many may opine til the cows come home, but unless he actually resigns it is only the Labour Party members who will decide.

dramatictessa Mon 27-Jun-16 19:02:28

I have one question for Tom Watson - what on earth was he thinking of, going to Glastonbury on the weekend of one of the most important events of his political career? Okay, he probably thought the result would be very different but he should have been ready to give interviews and support Jeremy Corbyn - and on the same note, I see that Boris Johnson had time to write his column for the Telegraph, and to play cricket. I'm all for a good work/life balance, but this to me illustrates the contempt most politicians have towards the electorate.

annodomini Mon 27-Jun-16 19:27:53

It was the Johnson family's annual cricket match, dontcha know, dramatictessa.

Ana Mon 27-Jun-16 19:30:06

I like Angela Eagle too, and I'm not even a Labour supporter! grin

M0nica Mon 27-Jun-16 19:45:25

Annie thats a cop-out I look forward to seeing you describe anybody who opposes the next labour leader as a Corbynite and many Blairites morphing into Corbynites.

varian the Liberals are starting to build up their strength again. We are pretty resilient and never stay down for long.

durhamjen Mon 27-Jun-16 19:52:09

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/watch-jeremy-corbyn-supporters-rally-11533679

They like him up here.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 20:09:01

I like the man. (not that I know him personally!) But I don't think he is up to the job. But perhaps they need to give him longer.

M0nica Mon 27-Jun-16 22:10:11

Yes, but that was at an event for the converted. How many of those cheering Corbyn were ordinary uncommitted voters. they are the ones that matter.

POGS Mon 27-Jun-16 22:14:50

I mentioned earlier I think the unions will have a big part to play in Corbyn future.

I hope he stays.

durhamjen Mon 27-Jun-16 22:16:05

No idea, but it's difficult to arrange that in less than a day.

There were lots in London, too. Of course it was for the converted. They are the ones with the votes.

M0nica Tue 28-Jun-16 19:45:24

The converted are the labour party members with the vote for leadership. But elections are decided by the votes of the other 40 million plus voters and most of them are less than enthused by Corbyn.

Anniebach Tue 28-Jun-16 19:53:22

I think it is now too late to give him a chance, he should have been given support when he became leader

Nandalot Tue 28-Jun-16 21:02:44

I'm not sure all the members who voted for Corbyn were totally genuine in wanting the best for the party. I seem to remember there were allegations that some Tories were paying the £3 fee so they could vote for him as they saw him as a vote loser for the party.

I feel a lot of sympathy with many of his viewpoints but I don't feel that he has the leadership qualities required to present a strong opposition and we need that at the moment. His refusal to stand down, which he sees as loyalty to those who voted him in, will divide the party and even destroy it.

durhamjen Tue 28-Jun-16 21:58:46

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durhamjen Tue 28-Jun-16 22:00:21

There was no need for Labour rebels to do what they did. There is a legal way to put someone up against Corbyn, without splitting the Labour Party. So why are they doing it?

Anniebach Tue 28-Jun-16 22:28:14

Perhaps no longer thought he would change his way of leading the party Jen, I think he was wrong to refuse to take part in a televised debate on the referendum , yes he travelled around the country but how many people can one reach out to in town halls compare to television

thatbags Wed 29-Jun-16 06:36:27

Apparently the SNP will step forward today and make a bid to be the official opposition party on the grounds that the parliamentary Labour Party is shambolic at the moment and not in a fit state or "prepared... to assume power". According to the news report I read, this is a requirement of the opposition laid down in the Parliamnetary rule book, Erskine May.

Corbyn, meanwhile, insists that the vote of no confidence by MPs has no constitutional legitimacy. I'm sure that, technically, that is correct, but so, it would seem, is what the SNP is saying.

Anya Wed 29-Jun-16 07:02:12

It would indeed seem that the SNP is the only party that is united and with strong leadership. Where are the natural leaders in this country? I can't take to any of those on offer in any party. What a sad situation to be in ...

Anya Wed 29-Jun-16 07:04:29

And to make matters worse isn't the Chilcote (sp?) enquiry due out any day now?

trisher Wed 29-Jun-16 08:01:14

It is interesting that I can't remember any prominent Labour MPs appearing in the Media to support the Remain campaign. The only one I do remember seeing a lot of was Kate Hoey and she was a Brexiter, Is it possible they all sat back and kept low profiles so that if the Leave campaign won they could get rid of Jeremy? But they wouldn't play with the future of the country like that would they?

thatbags Wed 29-Jun-16 08:08:31

No, they wouldn't. I'm sure the Labour front bench was solid Remain.