Brexit watch

www.change.org/p/eu-offer-european-citizenship-to-uk-citizens?source_location=movement

I've just watched Question Time thinking that many leave voters might say that they regretted voting that way after the events of the last day and the growing awareness of how many lies have been told, but nothing seems to have changed. The UKIP MP said the money promised for theNHS was 100 million, not 350 million.This is the first time I've heard that figure mentioned. Have I missed something?

There'll be a fullfact on it tomorrow, with the true figures.
I thought that there would be £120 million a week saved, but that has been promised three times over on everything that the EU will no longer be subsidising.

I liked the way that Carswell tried to get out of the migrant question by saying he never stood in front of the poster.
Dimbleby got quite annoyed with him.

More than 110,000 signatures to ask the EU to give EU citizenship to UK citizens.
Would you go for it?

Summary of week since that vote

We have learned as we expected that none of the ridiculous promises wil come about
Britain has lost its triple A
EU has lost its triple A
Mark Carney has appeared twice to make a speech trying to steady the markets - an event unprecedented
The £ has fallen in value
The stock market has fallen
There are plans by various companies to move their operations to EU
The EU is quite cross
The world is quite cross
There is forecast to be a recession
The tax payer has paid untold billions to steady the banks and market
The country is totally divided - the only ones appearing now to try to come together are the ones who created this division. The Tory party has a huge survival instinct regardless of whom they harm in the way.
Racism and xenophobia has tested its head.
The country is in an outer shambles politically
We may lose Scotland
Ireland is very unhappy

Plenty more where that came from

And one more

Those that lead us into the mess are taking I responsibility to lead us out - apart from the lunatic fringe

I have had my first " buy now and beat Brexit price rises" email from a furniture shop.

Theresa May says (according to the Telegraph) there will be no tax rises till 2020 and that she was a 'reluctant remainer';politicspeak for 'I'll just keep quiet and see which side wins'. And she's the honest honourable potential PM.

650million pounds worth of property deals have been pulled in the past week...many had Brexit clauses written into them.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/01/boris-johnson-and-michael-gove-betrayed-britain-over-brexit

Good article. The S.O. has cancelled his subscription to the dreadful Telegraph and is switching to the Guardian. He only subscribed to the Telegraph when the Observer put it's price up yet again and the Independent ceased to be (in print, that is).

Listening today to two economic experts (or blobs as that man who is all knowing, known as Gove)

They were looking at the economic future as it stands at the moment.

We have extended our risk
Investment is falling off
Current account deficit at 7% of GDP is the largest in history
We are in a much worse position if we need to raise money
Britain is in a much more vulnerable position.
Whether we are falling into no or negative growth won't be clear until the Autumn
They were extremely critical of Osbornes economics
They said there is NO PLAN

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/07/02/33919/

If only there was a plan.

"But I could not have anticipated the fall out would be quite so severe. The careers of Cameron and Osborne have ended in worse than typical failure. Their crime was incompetence.

Johnson’s failure is worse: he’s been exposed as a coward and liar who delivered Brexit for vanity and without real conviction.

As for Gove, he can’t beat May, and is hated by her so resoundingly that the back benches beckon, where his own multi-faceted treachery will earn him few friends as the whiff of power fades away.

What that means is that four of the most influential politicians of their generation have wrecked each other’s careers and will leave a party with divisions so fierce and a legacy so torrid that Theresa May’s prospects look dire.

She cannot deliver the balanced budget her party always promised. Mark Carney has already made that clear. Osborne has already signalled that the attempt has been abandoned. So their grand project has failed, because of a policy initiative the Tories delivered.

And it is likely that Theresa May will have to deliver Brexit, which if she succeeded would add her name to the Cameron, Osborne, Gove and Johnson hall of ignominy on this issue."

From that article by Richard Murphy.
Can't wait.

The only crumb of comfort is that they won't succeed. I am planning my exit should Farage became pm or worse.

What has been happening while we've had our attention elsewhere.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/07/02/the-us-has-agreed-on-country-by-country-reporting-rules-for-multinational-corporations/

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/06/29/we-got-so-close-to-country-by-country-reporting-in-the-uk-yesterday/

The US passed it. We didn't. We are going to be a tax haven without shame, particularly if Leadsom ends up in the treasury.

Just thought I would pass on a comment from my oldest friend in Queensland. (Who is underwhelmed about their election prospects)
- Remember the saying, " Whoever You Vote For, the Government Always Wins......"

Someone has started a petition to invoke Article 50 now. We have voted we have to wait for two years anyway. Get on with it.

Needless to say it doesn't have many signatures yet compared to the second referendum one.

Since when can the EU give citzenship to UK citizens. A citizen is a citizen in a country and the EU is not a country. These people can take out citzenship where they work but although a lot want to be Western Europe citizens they are not so keen to become Polish or Latvian for example.

All those pensioners without dual citzenship are now foreigners with pensions worth 100s of Euros less than a week ago. All because the Brexit people did not know that the problems they were facing were caused by a conservative government and not the EU.

I spoke to someone today whose daughter lives in Majorca and asked her about her daughters health cover going forward and she looked a bit confused and said she hadn't thought about it.

Apparently our local primary school was telling its children that they are Europeans not British and that Britain is just one of the states of the European Union. I then heard an interviewee on radio 4 refer to the 28 states of the EU. I think it was a French minister, but I haven't a clue who. (This was before the referendum.) So perhaps the EU is a country and we hadn't noticed!!!!!!

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/brexit-triggers-racism-climate-of-fear

This is what taking back control of our borders does. It makes employers cut the wages of cleaners. It makes people ask immigrants why they haven't gone back where they came from yet.

I hope it makes some Brexiters feel ashamed of what they have started.

I think some (the honest ones) are ashamed but others seem defiant. Human nature I suppose.

3 people my son works with are seeking dual nationality with an EU country. They don't want their life chances reduced by this ridiculous referendum and those who are seeking la la land.

One forecast says that inflation will go up by 3% next year (done by experts so must be wrong). Living on a miniscule pension inflation has always been my biggest dread. I wonder if brexiteers have any sympathy for people that will be adversely affected by the result because, if they are, I'm not hearing it. I find that very sad. But, yet again, as has been pointed out I am being selfish to worry about myself (and others) when our country is going to be great again.