Jean-Claude Juncker can go away and eat his words. (This is a moving on thread)

Things will be happening behind the scenes, and I Think Cameron was right to hand over to somebody else soon.

It's all bluster bluff and double bluff.

The EU goes into Summer Recess soon, so nothing would be happening then anyway until the Autumn.Same With our own Parliament.

I thought leave would have a preliminary plan in place for the first few weeks after Brexit where a timetable would be presented. But now it seems there is no plan and the government is rudderless

and so the arguments go on and on and on

Nanna

I don't share your optimism, I wish I could.

I believe the EU will make a point of being as harsh as possible with the us to show any other 'possible' decenters
just how ruthless they can be. It is after all a club that has a focus for 'Ever Closer Union/Federal Europe.

Sadly there are no 'progressive' politicians in Europe capable of putting the people above their ego or their country before the Demigod which is the European Union/Parliament.

Good luck with that - from the various news reports there are a number of countries now looking to jump ship.

Perhaps we weren't the only ones that were dissatisfied ...we shall see I guess.

Just shows the paucity of the leave argument. They haven't a clue what to do next. Why should anyone step in to save their bacon? I wouldnt

Probably. They have a union to save.

Have they not just 'instructed' the UK PM to start negotiations 'immediately' or we must get another PM!

Because there is a process. It was agreed by all the member nations one would presume. Because despite wanting to leave we need to get our ducks in a row , which could not be done until the people had spoken.

I don't see the need to rush blindly forward when now we have an idea where we're going and we should do it right.

Lack of planning could be catastrophic- so why begrudge the powers that be time to do it right? It seems like you would like it all to go wrong?

Why shouldn't they? That's we've said we'd do

well now the member states are 'demanding' we leave. I stand by my comment... this is indicative of the very nature of our previous relationship with the EU - they demand and we do as we're told.

And maybe - just maybe that's why the majority of voters decided against being in this club

Article 50 has little to do with Juncker, at all- it is the Treaty we signed up to, willingly and clearly. Uncertainty and delay is hugely damaging to the UK- but some will say, tough they made the choice.... but it is hugely damaging to other EU countries, and all who trade with them too:

Here is what is spelled out explicitly in Article 50:

A government must trigger the article by officially notifying the EU of its intention to leave. Then there is a two-year period in which the terms of the leaver’s exit are negotiated. During this time Britain would no longer be able to take part in any EU decision-making, and any exit agreements must be approved by all 27 remaining EU nations and the European Parliament. Then after Britain’s formal exit, fresh negotiations can begin on any new trade deals.

But crucially, there is no timescale or mention of when to trigger Article 50 after a referendum, leaving many politicians worried about a long period of uncertainty.
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What is Article 50? How long will it take for Britain to leave the EU?

“The negotiations must immediately start,” said Manfred Weber, chairman of the centre-right European People’s Party.

“The most important thing is that we do this very quickly – we need to avoid a long period of uncertainty. The European continent cannot be occupied by an internal Tory Party battle over who will be the next leader of the Tory Party and the next Prime Minister of Great Britain.”

David Cameron however has hinted that it may be the job of whoever succeeds him to trigger Article 50, and Jan Techau, the director of the Carnegie Europe think tank, says there would be little the other EU nations could do to prevent that.

“The ball is in the British court – they need to decide how procedurally they want to run this,” he told The Independent.

Luckygirl very sensible post

He was very rude to Katya Adler (European Editor of the BBC)

When the BBC's Katya Adler asked European Commission President, Jean-Claude Juncker, whether the UK's vote to leave the EU was "the beginning of the end of the European Union", she received a short answer

He said 'No' but it was a throwaway comment made very rudely as he walked away.
If this is typical of the man perhaps Brexit is not so bad after all (never thought I would say that!)

Sour grapes and possibly worried about what this may unleash throughout Europe.

Luckygirl- have you read article 50? It is very clear- a country that leaves has NO right to negotiate anything, NONE. The other countries can then decide if they want to negotiate or not, and what they want to negotiate or not. It is very clear, and has always been.

If a club is seriously affected by the very loud and rumbling criticisim, and lies- of a member- which is affecting THEIR running and members and the reputation and prosperity of the club- they will ask for the decision to be made quickly to stop negative effect and begin to rebuild.

Or rather, we can notify them of our decision when we are ready to proceed with leaving. They have not been officially informed yet.

Luckygirl

what a sensible erudite post in a sea of negativity.

Monca yes we can.

Because there is a procedure to follow - we are not throwing our toys out of the pram and telling the EU to go hang; we are negotiating a different relationship with them and that takes time. It is not all black and white - that has been one of the major flaws of this campaign and what I have found so depressing. We are not setting out to hate the EU and all it stands for; we are just saying that the direction it is going in is not one that we feel happy with.

We do deals with the US, but deprecate its gun laws etc. - that does not stop us being a good neighbour.

Of course Monica is right. You can dislike Junker as much as you want (and I do)- but this is the reality out there. Brexit has huge consequences for Europe as a whole- and now the decision is taken- I can't blame the other EU countries for saying 'you made your choice- cause immensed turmoi and upset to our institutions and all the countries assigned to it- so GO and go now'.

As some of us have tried to say again and again, Article 50 to which the UK is a signatory- means that the UK cannot ba law negotiate anything with the EU as an outgoing member. It will have to wait for the other EU countries to decided if they want to negotiate or not, and on which terms. We have lost our say altogether once OUT.

Most clubs, if a member declares so publicly they are going and that they do not want to belong to the club and think it is badly run etc etc, will tell you in no uncertain terms to go and refuse your subscription if you try to renew for another year. That is the situation the UK is now in.

If we have decided to leave we should leave. We have been inundated with arguments about how damaging membersip of the EU is to our economy, our health and our welfare, and a majority of the population agree with these arguments. Why on earth should we want to stay in it one second longer than necessary?

And you think that is a decent and moral way to proceed * luck*? What about the 500 million who are waiting to rebuild after the utter mess of our making. Don't they have the moral high ground? I think they do

That was addressed to M0nica.