Being blamed

In a democratic secret ballot how does the press know who voted what?

I agree, daphne. I think they are hurting as a family. I was there to represent the older generation.
However, going on Gransnet figures, about 60 wanted to stay, and 90 wanted to leave, so it's right, no matter how many of us voted with him. I say him because his partner did not have a vote even though she has lived here for over 20 years. If you believe Daniel Hannan, EU migrants will also have their right to vote in local elections taken away from them, too.

daphnedill Sun 26-Jun-16 11:36:10
That's always the danger when people are lumped together as one group, whether they be pensioners, teenagers, Muslims, Poles or whatever.

Indeed so. And saying such things as that over 65s or whatever 'lost' a vote for you (that is a general you) should not be allowed to vote is the kind of left-wing populism that I've been talking about on another thread. Completely intolerant. Essentially it's saying, when people disagree with me, they should shut up/be prevented from speaking. There's a lot of it about.

The proportion of young people who voted is relatively small. They need to look to themselves rather than blaming others.

Just spoke to two outers who said they hoped that there is another referendum as they will vote remain!!!!!!!!!

Sorry about that. I forgot for a moment. It's not about me and my family.

Cameron definitely has a mandate for having a vote about it in parliament. He is stil the PM.

I voted out, but don't feel at all satisfied or happy. In fact, I am close to tears with all the vitriolic bullying, hate and haranguing that has come from a large section of the Remain camp. We are supposed to be a democracy and people are carrying on like spoilt kids who are not getting their own way. Can't we all band together to make it work?

How is it left-wing populism?

I agree that it's cruel, but it's not left-wing and it's certainly not the cause of right-wing populism.

You should take a trip round the internet and see some of the language which has been used against Remainers. If it's still there, have a look at Jo Cox's Facebook page for a start. Bing accused of being 'over 65' is very mild in comparison.

interesting cornergran small cohort, but yes, informative.

Why did you vote out, nanasam?

Nanasam.

No we will not work together. This is serious not a game and the bitterness will last for generations and split families. Thank God, I voted with and for my children and grandchildren, not for a country that want to go back to the past.

I voted out for sovereignty, daphnedill. I don't like being told what to do by a load of faceless, unelected Brussels bods. I also fear for the EU when Turkey, Kosova, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and others standing in the wings are admitted. Please don't bully me, these are just my views!

We had sovereignty. All EU countries are sovereign states. We have a queen. She is our sovereign, although we do not elect her, so your reasoning is shaky there.
We voted for the Brussels bods.

No bullying nana but has it occurred to you that you have been told lies?

Where do you live, nanasam? Farage is one of the Brussels bods that some people voted for. So is Daniel Hannan, both of whom are turkeys voting for Christmas.

Just been watching the local news, where a Ukipper said that it was Ukip that won the referendum, particularly in the North.
I feel quite angry about that, particularly as the EDL were parading in Newcastle yesterday, the only part of the North East that voted to remain.
Why choose Newcastle instead of Sunderland, where they voted to leave? To crow and stir up foment.

Beaking news.

Nicola Sturgeon says the Scottish Parliament could stop the UK leaving the EU. Anyone got anything on this.

see www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

Nanasam Here is a list of MEPs in the UK and their constituencies,
www.europarl.org.uk/en/your-meps.html

Which one is yours? What did you do with the letter telling you last time they were standing for election and inviting you to vote?

I think she'd just better get on with her referendum quick!

whitewave, I'm beginning to think that way. If I'd known all this nastiness would be so rife I would probably been bullied into voting Remain.

Beammeupscottie your 'No' attitude could be the death of Britain if you are hell bent on refusing to accept the democratic vote.

Of course we should band together and make it work, nanasam. The decision's made and we all have to make the best of it, there's no choice in the matter. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm not bullying, I'd genuinely like to hear what I can do as an individual. What do you think we should be doing? The only suggestion I've seen so far is that we should all buy British. When it's an affordable choice I already do.

But when you talk of bullying... What sort of country are we now when someone walking with his family along an English prom is happy and proud to be interviewed on national TV sporting a tee shirt bearing our flag and the slogan "Fit in or fuck off", as a man was last night?

Maggie, I really think someone should step forward with some positive plans. David Cameron should have stayed as PM for longer to help out (don't forget he would have led us out at one time). We've been left in limbo, which is very disconcerting.

It's shameful for loutish behaviour like that, it is embarrassing for the country.

We can all work together when this Ref. becomes an actuality.
People seem to think it is a done deal. It is not. There are strong forces working to annul it or water it down. The people were asked for an opinion, not to make a law!

I can remember back in the days when we were the sick man of Europe the mantra was buy British. Then we joined the single market and our economy took off and we could shop where we liked with all that choice. So no thank you I don't want to go back to necessarily buying British again, only if I think it is what I want and good value.

Yes, we've been left in limbo by campaigners who lied to the public and don't have any plans.

Why did you vote to leave? You must have had some idea what you were voting for. You need to hold the people who promised you something better to account.