Being blamed

moi aussi

I voted to remain, but I seem to remember that on the threads on here before the referendum I felt I was in the minority, somewhere in the region of two thirds were saying they were going to vote to leave.

If anyone is interested there is a petition with now over 3 million signatures:

EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum

We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

There's a petition on a 2nd referendum , it's over 2 million and counting!

I find it so revealing, the blame game.

So the Tory voter is to blame, yet the honest answer is the Labour voter voted in swathes the same way, keep to honesty.

I have noted comments from both Labour and Tory voters saying they are ashamed of their party and never voting for them again putting the blame on one party. This is so funny he he not funny ha ha. So let's just make up who to blame because it suits and ignore the facts. The Green Party may do very well but if the premise of that argument holds then so should UKIP.

The facts are it was not a one party vote, it crossed political divides and to not accept that happened by the blame game rhetoric is simply disingenuous and frankly absurd.

If EU Investors are giving up on GB, that will leave a void. I predict we will be taken over (in the business sense) by Russia and China. England is not GREAT; it hasn't been for decades and will be a bargain hunting ground. People think Politicians run the world but, in fact, Big Business calls the shots and the last thing they are interested in is the Welfare State. Bye-bye NHS; bye-bye Benefits.

i voted remain, our children, one of whom lives in germany, both voted remain. i wonder what the percentage of young people who voted was, because i would not be surprised in the least to find it was a relatively low turnout. does anybody know?
i think older people seem to be taking the blame for causing all sorts of 'problems' for younger people, which to me is very unfair. as someone has said although university fees were non existent when we were young it was also extremely rare for anyone to go to university except for the more privileged. i left school at l5 as did most of my friends, those who wanted to get
gce's left at l6 and when i studied for my degree in the mid 80's only 6% of the population actually had a degree at the time. the opportunities our children have had are far in excess of what we had, but this is a whole new post i think. As to how i am feeling now re referendum, i think i am still in a state of shock and some fear for what the future holds.

How we voted certainly shouldnt be traceable but is actually entirely possible. Why are voting slips numbered? Why are they cross referenced with our names on the electoral rolls?
Who gives accurate info to exit pollsters?!

We asked our younger generation (all under 35) which way they wanted the vote to go and one said go and the other said stay! How can we feel guilty about that?

Signed the second referendum petition, but feel guilty, as I believe in democracy, but also feel helpless/defeated/depressed & concerned for our future & felt I had to make some gesture. Even if by some miracle, Britain does benefit from the result, it probably won't come in time for some of us oldies (70+)

I can't speak for others, obviously, but can say with all honesty that if the vote had gone the other way I would have just shrugged my shoulders and thought "Oh well..." And got on with my daily life. PLEASE tell me I'm not the only one who thinks like that...

@Jane10

The numbers aren't traceable. Your name is crossed off on the list and you're given a numbered voting slip, but no record is made of which number you're given.

I explained somewhere or other how the stats were worked out. There were no public exit polls for the referendum, although there were some private ones and YouGov did a survey. However, the demographic profile of voters was worked out by more sophisticated methods by a team of statisticians, etc. Some of the work is done by Manchester Uni. My daughter explained the methods to me, but I'm not sure I understand it all. They've been extremely accurate in the past, so no reason to think they've got it wrong this time.

They take an electoral ward with a demographic profile as average as possible, then compare those results with wards which are known to have different ranges for age, income, educational qualifications, etc. The base data comes from census information, council tax records, etc.

@ Ceesnan

Maybe your life isn't affected. Many people's lives will be affected and they care about the kind of country they want to live in.

well yes, as life would have more or less stayed the same.

Doesn't work t'other way round- can't shrug shoulders and get on as normal, when the country is tearing itself apart, and everything is up in the air with no-one knowing how to catch it and where to put it.

The 2 situations are totally different.

ceesnan so when fuel, food, white goods, taxes all rise will your reaction still be the same or will you think " this did not need to happen"

And that is the least of our problems.

But that's just it, don't you see? I voted out because I wanted a change, but I certainly wouldn't have thrown my toys out of the pram if remain had won. It just looks like childish tantrums and cries of " It's not fair - I wanted to win," just my opinion of course.....

ceesnan change to what?

If, it happens, it happens. However, you are just surmising what might happen. By the way, I do care very much about the country I want to live in, which is why I voted the way I did. Much as I would love to stay and argue the toss I'm off out. Might try later.

Farage wouldn't have just shrugged his shoulders if the vote had gone the other way, Ceesnan. He would have thrown his toys out of the pram.
In fact the petition was started by someone even more right of Farage.

"Would you join a company of which the auditors won't sign off the accounts and the chairman doesn't care because it's in his own best interests not to care? That situation would never be good for our children, alive or to be born."

From Fran earlier.
THE ACCOUNTS HAVE BEEN SIGNED OFF EVERY YEAR. YOU JUST DID NOT LISTEN!

Sorry for shouting, but if that's your reason, it's rubbish.

My son blamed older people yesterday. I tried to stick up for us. I reminded him that a majority of people in his age group also voted out. I think he'd forgotten how old he is.

When you return ceesnan Can you find time to answer my question as to what change you wanted to see please?

What change did you want, Ceesnan?

She's going to see lots of changes; just not the ones she wanted, perhaps.

dj, That's always the danger when people are lumped together as one group, whether they be pensioners, teenagers, Muslims, Poles or whatever.

Maybe people on Gransnet (and some other sites) will remember how they felt next time they moan about teenage mothers or young people wanting everything, etc. Some of them do; some don't.

We need a badge that said I voted to remain in.

I spent time with 11 people aged under 30 yesterday, none had voted. They are all well educated and come for a variety of backgrounds and political persuasion. Not making judgements, just sharing the information.