Being blamed

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The EU doesn't want to make it difficult for Britain. It just wants the UK to stick to the rules and not want to have their cake and eat it.
Leavers were told they would be able to have a free market without the free movement of people. They will not be able to, just like the remain group said.
Boris and Gove have been playing games with the public. Farage promised that the borders would be closed to immigrants. Lots of people obviously thought thast meant straight away. Now all three are trying to wriggle out of their promises. It's no wonder the mood is ugly.

Thanks Jingl. I thought those that were telling immigrants to go home etc were awful and I find some of the comments being made by those that wanted to stay to those that voted to leave just as offensive.

Well I can see that we're in rather a mess Jane because of the immaturity on both sides of the campaign which appears to prevent a coming together, to work together and do the best we can for our country.

We were in a mess to begin with. Cameron came back with virtually nothing after his last negotiations with the EU. At the beginning of the campaign he said what ever the result he would stay as PM and do his best for the country. A couple of hours after the result was made known, he resigned.

What amazes me is the low turnout. Such an important decision to be made and only 72% bothered to vote.

The EU wants to make it difficult for Britain in the light of the result, the main reason being to deter any other EU members from holding a referendum of their own.

If the EU is such a wonderful organisation, why are they so worried that other member states may want to leave too?

No. You can't argue against people using their democratic rights. So long as they have thought it out and do so without any unpleasant prejudice.

If we'd all voted Remain we wouldn't be in such a mess Smileless2012. Can't you see that?

I mean, after they had won the vote.

No, you're not Smileless. But I think a lot of 'em were. Thinking of the ones telling the immigrans to 'go home' and the ones who scrawled on the Polish owned building in London.

We live in a democracy. We were given the opportunity to vote as to whether or not we wished to remain a member of the EU. I voted to leave. I am not selfish, a bigot, racist or stupid. I exercised my right to vote the way I wanted just like everyone who voted to stay.

I wonder how all the 'stayers' who are so quick to insult those that voted to leave would feel if the vote had gone their way and they were on the receiving end of insults.

We bumped into some old friends yesterday that we haven't seen for a few years as they now live in France. I joked with them and asked if they'd been kicked out already. They said 'no' then asked how we'd voted; I voted to leave and Mr. S. who is 8 years older than me voted to stay. I asked them how they'd voted. They replied that they'd voted to stay because they live in France BUT if they'd still been living in the UK they'd have voted to leave.

There was a referendum, the stayers lost and the leavers won so let's just get over it and get on with it.

Lost in transit " . . .the kind of estates where you need a Land Rover to get from the gate to the front door."

There are a lot of people who go to Glastonbury who don't come either from council estates or from the kind of estates where you

Come to think of it, those council estate dwellers don't all have the kind of jobs no-one else wants, either. Some of them are professionals with more training and qualifications than a lot of ex-Etonians.

And some of those in a large country estate live with a leaking roof and windows that let in draughts, where any child asking for tickets to Glastonbury will get the short and dusty answer.

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Wrong Welshwife ....we cannot take into consideration those who did not choose to vote
Quite right, everyone between the ages of 18 and 113 who was eligible to vote should have done so (OK, if Gladys Hooper decided not to vote because of her extreme age, that's OK with me!)

You can look at statistics till the cows come home. I am not a statistic.
Nonnie unfortunately they think we are

There is a mix of people but the majority of younger festival goers are not from a council in estate in Plymouth (who are perhaps doing the jobs some believe to be beneath what their children should be doing), working in Tesco, flipping burgers.

They are the sons daughters of wealthy people, they are the Hunter Welly brigade

My DC are from Plymouth; we didn't live on a council estate, just in an ordinary semi in an ordinary road; neither do any of us own Hunter Wellies. They did pay their way through college and university working in supermarkets, waiting on tables etc.
They also went to Glastonbury (not this year though).

And what percentage of each group actually voted?

Anya since all the evidence was that an out vote would be hideously damaging to the fabric of our society, the economy, our place in the world and to the very survival of the UK, the onus should have been on those who wanted it to achieve the votes of at least 60% of those entitled to vote.

Cameron was an utter fool to allow this situation where so much damage can be caused by 37% of the electorate, many of whom were swayed by the empty promises and lies of the Brexiters.

Did someone say you were

You can look at statistics till the cows come home. I am not a statistic.

Wrong Welshwife ....we cannot take into consideration those who did not choose to vote

Anya it was not 52% of the population who voted to leave - it was 52% of the 72% who did vote -(less than 40% of the population) that is why it is a too small a percentage to be taken seriously. There should have been more rules put in place before the referendum as Ireland did - 75% turnout and 60/40% result. It was a badly thought out as they never believed Brexit would win.

Poor old Tom Watson had to pack up his tent.

The problem with raising Glastonbury is this.

There is a mix of people but the majority of younger festival goers are not from a council in estate in Plymouth (who are perhaps doing the jobs some believe to be beneath what their children should be doing), working in Tesco, flipping burgers.

They are the sons daughters of wealthy people, they are the Hunter Welly brigade , they can afford the cost of the ticket and all that goes with it, they possibly hold down good , well paid jobs, or somebody has paid for their fun.

I am not saying Glastonbury is not open to all, that would be ridiculous but it is not reflective of what goes on for so many who see the world in a different way.

The average age at Glastonbury was 43
JessM that seems young to me
In fact that is probably the average of young friends and family I asked who still have many years of work ahead of them

Daphne no, that youtube interview wasn't what I saw (looks like a spoof!)
It was a young mother being interviewed on, I think BBC or ITV West - true, not a spoof.
Apart from Bristol, the vote was out in the West.

Well, if so many people at Glastonbury organised a postal vote or proxy vote I am impressed. One girl said she had been told there would be a polling booth set up there, presumably she registered a temporary address: somewhere in a field, Worthy Farm, Glastonbury

Again, results of a poll.

Don't pay any attention to what Farage says or wants GJ everyone knows he's a total....

I think that we will end up in the same group as Norway.

Grow up DD and if you can't quote a source just admit you made it up or read it in FB

Ajanela actually a 4% majority is quite statistically significant.