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How much of a threat is UKIP

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whitewave Sun 26-Jun-16 20:16:11

With a gaping vacuum at the centre and no party speaking to the disaffected working class how much of a threat is UKIP.

I find it worrying listen to the UKIP box on QT they can see the chance for becoming a force to be r'

whitewave Fri 01-Jul-16 18:30:35

I don't think Farage will go for his seat though, it is not necessarily a UKIP seat but I think Careswell was a popular MP.

Farage will wait his chance in a general election, although that seems not to be likely until 2020 as May being a remainder albeit a tad Brexiter as well ( it's called sitting on the fence) is arguing that she represents all divided Britain.

Farage target is up North - sorry Northern grans

daphnedill Fri 01-Jul-16 18:45:10

Clacton is very much a Ukip seat, but you're right - Carswell hung on to it, because he's a popular constituency MP. I think any right-wing Conservative would win it. I suspect Carswell will hang on as an Independent.

Something tells me that Farage is on his way out. hmm (Don't hold me to that! grin)

whitewave Fri 01-Jul-16 18:54:39

You wish!

Riverwalk Fri 01-Jul-16 18:59:59

It could be, that UKIP have served their purpose now that the referendum has taken place.

What would be the purpose of voting for Farage now?

daphnedill Fri 01-Jul-16 19:01:40

Maybe! I think he's being pushed by people just as nasty but more professional, which could be scary.

Carswell is a dreamer, so I'm not worried about him, but the people with the money behind Ukip are worrying.

daphnedill Fri 01-Jul-16 19:06:30

@Riverwalk That's what worries me. What's their agenda now? We're out of Europe, so where do we go now? I fear that human rights will be next on the hit list and we're heading for more free market ie less social protection. The EU protected the UK from Americanisation of healthcare and workers' rights. I truly hope that the people who voted Leave knew what they were doing.

JessM Fri 01-Jul-16 19:06:30

Yup indeed. Scary, with lots of money to throw around.
When Farage stood in the general election in Thanet West the Tory party threw a massive amount of resources at it. This is one of the constituencies in which alleged Tory over-spending is being investigated by the police. Could happen that there is a by-election (eventually...) in which Farage might stand again. He lost by a narrow margin.

daphnedill Fri 01-Jul-16 19:10:31

I know and it's worrying. There was a lot of tactical voting in Thanet to keep Farage out. The Conservative who won was on the right of the Conservative Party.

JessM Fri 01-Jul-16 21:06:49

Nathan Glll, leader of UKIP in Wales, has announced that he will continue as an MEP despite being elected as an Assembly Member in May.
So he's going to carry on claiming 1/3 of his EU salary (max he's allowed - approx £24k a year) on top of his £65k from the Assembly.. The £24 is similar to the average income in Wales. No shame whatsoever.
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-leader-nathan-gill-carry-11525824#ICID=sharebar_facebook

daphnedill Fri 01-Jul-16 21:26:53

It will be interesting to see whether Ukip is still so popular in Wales after a term. By the next election, people will be able to judge their performance.

JessM Fri 01-Jul-16 21:52:36

hmm They haven't been judging their performance in the European Parliament. sad

Iam64 Fri 01-Jul-16 21:58:10

What next for Farrage, when does his EU salary end, soon I hope. Me big fear is he'll stand in one of the northern towns, devastated by unemployment and no lingering thrall to the Labour Party.

durhamjen Fri 01-Jul-16 22:31:36

Farage's leave plan.

thebrexitplan.com/

daphnedill Fri 01-Jul-16 22:44:46

@JessM

No, they haven't, but they wouldn't if they'd been sold the line that the European Parliament is full of remote 'elites'. They might take a bit more notice when Ukip fails to deliver whatever they've promised the Welsh.

There's an interesting conversation on Guido at the moment. They really have got the knives out for Carswell, who objected to the racism in Farage's poster. It would appear that Carswell is about to be expelled and they want to bring back the racist Godfrey Bloom.

Meanwhile, they support Andrea Leadsom as PM (I wonder how many £25 memberships they can afford) and have decided to delay attacking the Conservatives until a new leader is elected. Thank goodness the parliamentary Conservative party have the final choice.

Arron Banks is going to bankroll Leadsom's campaign and has announced his intention to start a new party without Farage. Hmmmm...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/leave-donor-plans-new-party-to-replace-ukip-without-farage

daphnedill Fri 01-Jul-16 22:49:58

@Iam64

That seems to be the plan, which is why it's so important Labour gets its act together.

Tegan Sat 02-Jul-16 09:23:14

It terrifies me that pumping vast amounts of money into campaigns can influence how many people vote. What is Bank's agenda?

Iam64 Sat 02-Jul-16 09:25:38

World domination ?

daphnedill Sat 02-Jul-16 09:34:52

@ Tegan

I have a theory (or two) but nothing to back it up. hmm He needs watching, whatever his agenda is.

durhamjen Sat 02-Jul-16 10:18:11

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/your-practice/practice-topics/employment/40-of-gp-training-places-unfilled-in-north-east-england/20032217.article

Not only are we going to have Ukip in the North East, but we are not going to have any GPs either.
I think I may have to move.

whitewave Sat 02-Jul-16 10:33:02

Not sure Leadsom is a runner but honestly nothing would surprise me now.

durhamjen Sat 02-Jul-16 10:41:35

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/07/02/the-end-of-the-balanced-budget/

Interesting stuff on here about Andrea Leadsom. She is likely to be Theresa May's chancellor. She has links to tax havens.

whitewave Sat 02-Jul-16 10:42:59

Wasn't she one of those beloved bankers?

durhamjen Sat 02-Jul-16 10:47:04

Yes, she was.

durhamjen Sat 02-Jul-16 10:58:30

"There was further criticism when it was revealed that she had received a series of donations totalling £70,000 from a firm based in London but owned by her Guernsey-based brother-in-law, Peter de Putron, via a holding company in the British Virgin Islands tax haven.[15] Leadsom’s husband Ben is a director of the firm which made the donations, which were used to pay the salaries of staff in Leadsom’s Westminster office after her election as MP; the firm has also made donations of £816,000 to the Conservative party.[16] Because the firm making the donations, Gloucester Research (later becoming GR Software and Research) was based in London the donations conformed to the rule banning political donations from abroad. The Labour MP Tom Watson said: “These very large donations might be within the rules, but it certainly isn’t right that a Treasury minister has been taking money in this way. Most reasonable people will see this as completely unreasonable”."

daphnedill Sat 02-Jul-16 11:24:01

The Guardian rates Leadsom's chances. She's being bankrolled by Banks and is Ukip supporters' favourite. She's never shown her true colours, so I don't know what they are. IDS is supporting her, which makes me shudder.