As the hysterical left weep into their lattes...

@Alea I'd already strayed from the OP, so I don't associate myself with 'luvvies', but I can see how some people would accuse me of being in the same camp.

That is such a good post Daphnedill and expresses just how I feel as well.

Dd I honestly didn't see anything in that article which applied to thee and me. Unless you are a theatre director/fashion designer/artist/or literary critic. I think LP was poking fun/being ironic about the very vocal "culterati" who are in many cases going OTT at the referendum result - for very different reasons to those of us who are more concerned with the economics or social aspects rather than accusations that our DGC will not have access to Europe in the way their parents have.
Sorry, tried to finish that sentence but somehow it kept going.
You do not come across as a "champagne socialist" indeed I cannot think of any on GN , so without trivialising the consummate unholy MESS Cameron has got us into, I do not think LP was aiming her criticism at us, rather the dahlings of the South Bank, the cool overpaid hipsters of Hoxton.
Nor do I think thatbags had any ulterior motive in providing a link to an ironic article , just a refreshing change from the doom and gloom of today's newspapers.

@Jalima

I don't even understand my own thought processes at times.

What I was trying to say is that there seems to be a chasm between those of us who say we feel sick about the result and those who advocate sucking up and seeing, getting over it or whatever.

A couple of other posters have expressed the same feelings that I have. It's really quite difficult to explain and I'm not sure I know why I feel as I do. It's almost like a bereavement. It seems senseless, unexpected and a loss. It takes time to come to terms with what's happened.

I've never felt like this after any election. It should be just a political decision, but somehow it feels much more. I've been a committed Europhile all my adult life and part of my job teaching languages has always been to open doors, because I believe understanding other cultures places a mirror in front of the way we think about ourselves.

Being told to get over it, etc is quite hurtful, although I don't suppose posters see it like that, because they don't understand how much the ideals of the EU are part of some people.

Sorry if that sounds 'luvvie'. I do understand how people think that the EU has blighted their job opportunities, etc. I don't hold with ideas of sovereignty and 'taking back control' because I think they're meaningless soundbites in practice. I think all of us have been manipulated in some kind of strategy game by the rich and powerful and I don't believe leaving the EU is the answer. Ironically, I've also spent years bleating on about how there should be more investment in 'forgotten' communities. Ah well!

The witches go back years, we used to have virtual Halloween parties and travel to them on our broomsticks, some even had GPS.

I'm going nowhere, Beammeupscottie, but thank you. I've had a little weep into my gin coffee, and am feeling much better now

dj, I'm going to keep an eye open for those covens. There used to be rumours that some met on the moors near here, but I always thought it was way too cold for that sort of thing.

I do not think it's an insult. I use herbs and make potions all the time.

Why are women called witches as an insult? I think it is medieval. Men who talk robustly and forthrightly are not called warlocks.

Is there anyone on here who hasn't been told by HQ that they appreciate robust discussion, usually when someone complains about one of your posts?

Had to check that. Couldn't remember anything about witches. I think that was aimed at a few covens that we have on here, not personally at you, maggie.

Carry on Maggiemaybe I think you are great! Like you, I have no time for shrinking violets Why come on forums if you can't lunge and parry!

So...

Because I suggest that we are not delicate blossoms that can't cope with robust discussion, I'm subjected to a string of insults. And a snide comment about witches from someone jumping right up there on the bandwagon.

I suggest GNHQ might have a quiet word and am told no. The reason given? Because Gransnet is a place for robust discussion, even though it might not always suit the faint hearted. Oh, the irony.

Good job I'm not a delicate blossom, isn't it?

It is obvious that not everyone who voted Leave is racist. Unfortunately, it is equally obvious that a lot of them are, and that - perhaps even worse - the vote has encouraged a lot of blatant racism, aimed not only at EU immigrants but at anyone from an ethnic minority. There have been a large number of instances of racist abuse and threats reported since the vote was announced.

It is not only we on the hysterical left who feel this way. Sayeeda Warsi, former chair of the Tory party and a prominent supporter of the Leave campaign until she quit over the racist tone of the campaign, said "This kind of nudge-nudge, wink-wink xenophobic racist campaign may be politically savvy or useful in the short term but it causes long term damage to communities." Sadly, very true.

Well said Jalima
I tried to answer that post but decided to abstain (probably would have been deleted anyway!) Yes let's blame Margaret Thatcher - the EU are totally blameless for anything and everything!

jings Do you count yourself as being amongst the "culterati" Bags. Or do you think a lot of them read Gransnet?

My answer: No, and no.

I'd never heard the term culterati until this morning. Wouldn't be surprised, actually, if LP had made it up.

Well done Nonio for sticking with this thread for so long even though you found it upsetting.

Great stamina!

in my view : ALL OPENING POSTS SHOULD NEVER BE PEROSNALLY INSULTING.
In what way is it personally insulting to another Gransnetter? That is against the guidelines.

the answer is because the title that fed into our inboxes this morning fed the tone of this "conversation"
In case you do not know this is what it said : "As the hysterical left weep into their lattes".
It was an article in The Times.
If it was fed into your inbox and you didn't like the sound of it, I am puzzled as to why you looked at the thread. Just ignore those you don't like the sound of.

I voted remain, but pointed out that I am not hysterical or weeping (neither have I had a latte today). Neither do I believe that all brexiters are racists, bigots or xenophobes.
The debate is very heated, many people are upset at the result and everywhere assumptions about groups of voters are flying right, left and centre, (not meant as a pun).
Some are occasionally rude or insulting to another poster - that is when GN should intervene.

cupcake1 That was nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with Margaret Thatcher.
Interest rates were very high at that time in other countries too - 20% for a mortgage in Australia, which cannot have had anything to do with Margaret Thatcher.
however, might as well blame her for everything!

But I have to love her, and someone else and I do
It's so hard to be a Christian sometimes

(cos I'm too embarrassed to say anything else now )

Yes you do! Fibber!

I don't read your posts so now your head can get back to normal

* baNANAGran3 * of course I'm gonna get big headed after that! Who wouldn't?!

Exactly.

Do you count yourself as being amongst the "culterati" Bags. Or do you think a lot of them read Gransnet?

jingl - you said previously that no one read your posts (I know a joke) - just want to let you know that when I don't have time to read a very long thread, I actually scroll down to pick yours out - you make me laugh but also give good advice when asked for - (don't get big headed btw)....