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As the hysterical left weep into their lattes...

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thatbags Mon 27-Jun-16 06:45:30

Well said, Libby Purves and Peter Tatchell! Tatchell is quoted as saying "The left must listen to Brexit supporters and their concerns. Very wrong to dismiss them all as racists and xenophobes". Of those anguished 'hysterical lefties': "many of them mean well [ouch!] yet elitism erupted like a poisoned boil". Superb!

Elitism. The other thing the hysterical left whine about when they're not too busy calling anyone who doesn't agree with them a bigot. Yes. Quite. In spite of my high level of education, and my husband's, we both "get it" in a way that many with similar backgrounds don't seem to. Perhaps we still feel a connect to those of our families who were at the runt end of society only two generations ago. Perhaps we understand better the effect of "arrogant, incompetent Brussels institutions, and the decades when governments neglected inequality".

Purves does not skim over actual racism at all, but she says quite rightly that the vast majority of people are not racists or xenophobes. She's right.

Thank you, Libby Purves.

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 10:46:57

grin Beammeupscottie

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 10:46:06

Good! Thanks for the info.

I have friends employed employed in the pharmaceutical and science research fields. Their companies make billions in exports for the UK. One has already been warned that his job is at risk of being relocated to France or Germany.

Beammeupscottie Mon 27-Jun-16 10:45:59

We must all go out of our way to be very nice and positive to the immigrants we come across as an antidote to this vote which is seen as some as a racist charter.
My neighbour has just told me she voted in for Queen and Country. Stupid woman who incidentally lives in a £750,000 home and has a second home on Malta. God rot her.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 10:45:34

Skullduggery your ridiculous post smacks of blind panic. Not good.

Calm down and wait and see what happens next.

In the meantime, take a walk.

durhamjen Mon 27-Jun-16 10:44:34

Elegran, all I can hope is that the Dunkirk spirit comes through, and that we can rescue the NHS from its moribund state as happened after the war.
How much was it promised? £350 million a week?

Cherrytree59 Mon 27-Jun-16 10:43:29

I know JCB company. Have friends that are employed by them. They all speak very highly of the company. Many have their chlidren at the acadamy. They also have a health scheme.
JCB lay off when they have to and then will take the workers if the want back on again asap when they get a new contract. Many of they long term workers have shares in the company.
Sorry if this doesn't fit in with the..
We Are All Doomed!

whitewave Mon 27-Jun-16 10:42:38

joelsnan it all amounts to the same thing.

Alea Mon 27-Jun-16 10:42:13

Anniebach, do you speak to different sorts of people?
durhamjen, yes it does take longer! Plus it takes longer to get there in the first place. Well worth it though. Also, I think it is important to shop in areas that are struggling, to put money into their economy

Could you possibly GET more patronising??
Do you imagine Ab lives in an ivory tower? Or is this some obscure comment on living in Wales and Welsh-speakers? Tosh.
What do you mean by "areas that are struggling to put money into their economy" whose economy? . Quick shopping trips to Lithuania ? I actually believe in doing what I can to support THE economy by e.g.shopping at farmers' markets, local butchers, my village shop as well as that very equitable organisation the John Lewis Partnership because they actually share their profits with their staff and run their business a hell of a lot better than Osborne runs the economy!

Jaycee5 Mon 27-Jun-16 10:42:10

It was not a left/right issue. There was a Labour Leave campaign. I am a Labour party member and Corbyn supporter but I voted Out. Otherwise I agree with Thatchell though.
Spending weeks telling people they are morons and racists didn't work, but they won't stop doing it. It just alienates people even more.

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 10:41:06

@Joelsnan

I disagree with you totally. I can't believe that people make apologies for racism and/or refuse to see it.

Joelsnan Mon 27-Jun-16 10:37:47

The term Racist is used far too often and in the wrong context. Many people have a strong protectionist instinct, we all have it like the feeling of annoyance when someone sits in our chair (just imagine it for a moment), or that overwhelming feeling of needing to protect when we have a baby.
Some display this instinct more strongly than others if they perceive a threat to their families, culture or livelihood, race is rarely the issue.

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 10:37:36

OK Elegran! Tell me about this 'better' way.

durhamjen Mon 27-Jun-16 10:36:55

Can be either, daphne. It is confusing. I notice when someone in government says the government are, and it usually means collective responsibility, and I can pass the buck if necessary.

Elegran Mon 27-Jun-16 10:35:48

dd A common enemy has been fabricated, perhaps to divert attention from internal discontent, who knows? That is a favourite ploy of Machiavelli and co.

There is more than one blueprint for conducting international trade and social relations. The leave campaigners have rejected the EU pattern. If it was rejected for a better one, the better one will take root and succeed. Only time will prove whether it was a good decision, because a tree doesn't grow branches and fruit overnight. It has to be fed, watered, pruned, and nurtured.

If everyone is blaming everyone else for the blight in the orchard, no-one will be either feeding and pruning the existing trees or planting new saplings to replace them.

Skullduggery Mon 27-Jun-16 10:35:37

Jesus, some of you are so far removed from reality, it's shocking!
You still don't appreciate the enormity of what the Leavers have done to the UK. I guess you will finally accept it when reality bites you in the pocket.

Feck sake, get your head out of your arses. This isn't the same as post war Britain. We're not in it together. You've effectively jumped off the super yacht into shark infested waters, on your own without a raft or even a paddle.

There's no grand plan. The only objective was to leave. You've done that, now what?

There is bugger all manufacturing or Industry left. Thatcher's government in the 80's put the boot in and China and other parts of Asia cherry picked the remains. Just take a look at a dozen or so random objects in your home, to see how much is still wholly manufactured in Britain.

I'm in Ireland (thank god!). We'll be hoovering up more of those companies currently based in the UK capital who now need an EU base for trading. They speak English here rather well too, so no worries about staff relocating needing a second language. Tax incentives for business are fantastic.

I live on the west coast and my local town has just opened a new internet hub for local business that offers connection speeds of 10,000mb, equal to Tokyo and Hong Kong, better even than London currently has to offer.

Yes, faster connection speeds than London...

In the last few years, we've had huge investment from the likes of Vodafone, Google, Amazon etc.

The EU won't collapse because the UK is falling apart.
Newsflash: The EU doesn't need Britain to prosper. It's the other way round.

Wake up and smell the Italian coffee.

I'm off to sip my latte now.

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 10:31:53

No, I think 'government' is a common noun.

durhamjen Mon 27-Jun-16 10:31:50

Anyone watching Victoria Derbyshire now?

It's about all the racism that is happening now.

Please anyone who has a vote fot Tory leader, do not vote for Boris. Anyone who can say project fear is over has no idea.
50%of us are still very fearful of what will happen, and the racist abuse is happening now.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 10:29:43

that should have been 'who wants...' shouldn't it

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 10:29:33

@obieone

So what's your vision? How are things going to improve?

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 10:28:35

@jinglebells

Do you have a crystal ball? I really don't share your optimism. This thread has done nothing to raise my spirits.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 10:28:27

(That, really, was to daphnedill)

daphnedill Mon 27-Jun-16 10:27:19

@puppytoe

Exactly JCB supported Leave because of what was in it for the company and shareholders. I hope some of the increased profit will filter back to the employees.

Was that a flying pig I saw?

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 10:27:08

But the people who voted thoughtfully and for the right reasons, are still here in the country. Control won't be handed over to the racists and xenophobes. We will still have a government which wants the best for Britain, from whichever party. All is not lost by a long way. The mindless are still in the minority.

obieone Mon 27-Jun-16 10:26:51

Anniebach, do you speak to different sorts of people?
durhamjen, yes it does take longer! Plus it takes longer to get there in the first place. Well worth it though. Also, I think it is important to shop in areas that are struggling, to put money into their economy.

People understand my point.

I have noticed there is quite a lot of pretending not to understand points on gransnet by a small number of posters. It is part of what they do.
[it doesn't just happen to me]
When that happens, I know the point has got through. And may well be remembered.

MaizieD Mon 27-Jun-16 10:25:15

I almost wish there was a 'like' button for posts.

Well said, Nonio!