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As the hysterical left weep into their lattes...

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thatbags Mon 27-Jun-16 06:45:30

Well said, Libby Purves and Peter Tatchell! Tatchell is quoted as saying "The left must listen to Brexit supporters and their concerns. Very wrong to dismiss them all as racists and xenophobes". Of those anguished 'hysterical lefties': "many of them mean well [ouch!] yet elitism erupted like a poisoned boil". Superb!

Elitism. The other thing the hysterical left whine about when they're not too busy calling anyone who doesn't agree with them a bigot. Yes. Quite. In spite of my high level of education, and my husband's, we both "get it" in a way that many with similar backgrounds don't seem to. Perhaps we still feel a connect to those of our families who were at the runt end of society only two generations ago. Perhaps we understand better the effect of "arrogant, incompetent Brussels institutions, and the decades when governments neglected inequality".

Purves does not skim over actual racism at all, but she says quite rightly that the vast majority of people are not racists or xenophobes. She's right.

Thank you, Libby Purves.

thatbags Thu 30-Jun-16 08:34:29

BTW, the very next article in the same paper is by Jenni Russell arguing that Downing Street is no place for bumbling Boris.

thatbags Thu 30-Jun-16 08:28:04

Seems people are crying into their gin and tonics now: Anna Soubry anyway. See article below.

Andrea Leadsom, meanwhile, is reported as saying that there should no longer be any Leave MPs or any Remain MPs: "The people gave us their instructions and our job is to be implementers".

I agree with that.

Tim Montgomerie then goes on to argue in the same article that although Theresa May is a safe bet (Britain's Angela Merkel!), he would still like Boris to win the Tory leadership because " The country needs nothing less than a much more socially mobile capitalism where the rich may get poorer and the poor can get richer. Two of Boris Johnson's principle backers – Michael Gove and David Davis – have written powerfully about the need for thoroughgoing reform of the economic system. I have seen few signs from Theresa May that she is the kind of bold reformer that the times demand".

I agree with the sentence I've bolded as well.

Tegan Wed 29-Jun-16 23:57:13

I'm sorry to hear that, Bluecat. I've always planned to go to the Diwali celebrations in Leicester....I do hope there won't be trouble then.I despair of all this.

Bluecat Wed 29-Jun-16 23:28:49

Reports of racist incidents up by 57% between Thursday and Sunday...Now the racists think they've got the backing of the majority to unleash their hatred. Maybe they're wrong but they're certainly riding a wave of confidence, here in the UK and elsewhere in Europe, encouraged by Brexit's success.

I feel particularly sad because I live in an extremely multi-cultural city, Leicester, which has had a very good record for racial and religious tolerance for years. In fact, our city is often held up as a model of multi-culturalism. This week, for the first time I can remember, banners advertising the Muslim festival of Eid in a city centre park have been defaced by racist graffiti. Not only am I sad but also anxious, as my husband is Asian and our kids and grandkids are (obviously) mixed-race. Though the Asian community has nothing to do with the EU, the racist idiots boosted by the Leave vote don't seem to think that any "foreign" community should be spared their bile, even when the victims are second, third or even fourth generation Britons.

Bellanonna Wed 29-Jun-16 23:15:42

sad

Tegan Wed 29-Jun-16 22:39:50

I was wondering how you were feeling now Granny activist, and thought of you last week as the horrors of that night unfolded.

grannyqueenie Wed 29-Jun-16 22:34:02

Collective insanity seems a good summation of what's happening around us grannya. I think that probably worries me more than the actual result of the referendum itself which was depressing enough itself. Here's to common sense and compassion prevailing as we go forward

daphnedill Wed 29-Jun-16 22:21:40

Erasmus funding is being protected (apparently) until 2020, but there are no guarantees for studying for a complete degree in the EU.

grannyactivist Wed 29-Jun-16 22:12:44

I've just spoken to a someone who voted to Leave. She says she made up her mind early on, mostly in response to pledges to end immigration (!!) and the millions to be released for spending on the NHS, and thereafter didn't listen to anything from the Remain camp. Now that the furore has died down she has taken the time to look at what the Remain campaigners were saying and deeply regrets her decision to vote as she did. She says she feels hoodwinked by what she calls 'misinformation' by the Leave campaign, but also takes responsibility for her own 'blinkered' approach to the debate. She would very much like to have an opportunity to vote again, but realises that's unlikely to happen. Her children are very angry with her for refusing to properly listen to both sides of the debate before making up her mind and she feels she's let herself and them down. I felt very sorry for her.

I think that families and communities need to really work hard to mend fences, but I also understand that it will take time for those who voted to Remain to come to terms with what's happened. My own sense of shock doesn't seem to have diminished at all, but is being amplified by the disarray the country finds itself in. I also have a very wide range of friends from other countries and each and every one of them is of the opinion that the UK is suffering from some sort of collective insanity. I feel uncomfortable responding to them when I'm still processing the result myself.

granjura Wed 29-Jun-16 21:29:36

How can we possibly know that Anya? The terms have not been decided. Erasmus is funded by the EU, so why would it not be affected? (tragically I say).

Welshwife Wed 29-Jun-16 21:23:39

Oh Jen that is great if she can still do that - the movement and choice of students was one of the things I so did not want to be affected. I have always felt that travel and being with different nationalities is so beneficial to young people in widening their horizons and understanding, whatever career they wish to pursue.
You have no idea how that little bit of news about a young girl that I do not know has lifted my spirits.smile

Anya Wed 29-Jun-16 20:59:57

I thought I read somewhere that Erasmus won't be affected.

durhamjen Wed 29-Jun-16 20:50:26

I've heard today that my 16 year old granddaughter is still going to do the Ebacc instead of A levels as she thinks it will help her to travel and get work in Europe, or even go and get a degree in Europe where she will not have to pay huge fees.
Even if it means that it will be more awkward than before.
Good on her, I say.

Jalima Wed 29-Jun-16 20:10:10

Well, my neighbour is going to Greece because she wants to support their economy - and for some sunshine

Not much around here

annodomini Wed 29-Jun-16 19:55:41

I think it is important to shop in areas that are struggling, to put money into their economy

Good idea - let's all go and do our shopping in Greece. Oh, I almost forgot. We'll lose our freedom of movement to patronise our European poor relations. And it will be goodbye to the booze cruise as well. sad

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 29-Jun-16 18:26:38

Actually it wasn't jenty who decided I was a witch, on another thread. It was Breeze. Sorry jenty.

rosesarered Wed 29-Jun-16 18:24:40

You won't be the only one who SAYS it.

granjura Wed 29-Jun-16 18:24:18

Indeed- and the title of this thread says it all.

varian Wed 29-Jun-16 18:15:51

I can't be the only one who's noticed a fair amount of sneering from Leave supporters on GN

rosesarered Wed 29-Jun-16 18:11:58

Well said terribull smile

Ceesnan Wed 29-Jun-16 17:58:33

TerriBull that's a great post, thanks! smile

POGS Wed 29-Jun-16 17:41:03

Terribull

"Not all remainers are sneerers about the perceived brainpower of brexiters, but all sneerers will be remainers'

A very good juxtaposition. smile

petra Wed 29-Jun-16 16:03:58

As one poster said: poke a dog in a cage long enough and it will bite back.

Ceesnan Wed 29-Jun-16 16:02:19

I think the witches came about because harrigran asked for some new emoticons - "A red card, a yellow card and a ducking stool for the real witches". Quite a good idea really grin

TerriBull Wed 29-Jun-16 16:00:02

"Not all leavers are racists but all racists are leavers" this has been banded about quite a bit, but another supposition imo should be, not all remainers are sneerers about the perceived brainpower of brexiteers, but all sneerers will be remainers. I have often wondered why some so called famous pro remainers were allowed to voice their opinions at all because imo they did the remain campaign a great deal of harm by lumping brexiteers as some sort of lumpen uneducated sub species, and yes going back to the OP, "elitism was seen to be erupting like a poisoned boil". The week before the referendum I think I read an article in the Sunday Times magazine which was one of the most supercilious judgements I had read by a pro remainer on his perception about the raison d'etre of those who would vote out. This article was by AA Gill who eeks out a living as a restaurant critic. Hard graft doing that every day, or even every other day, sitting in posh eating establishments passing judgements on the calibre of the food, sometimes accompanied by his wife who he amusingly refers to as "The blonde, how edgy hmm However, all that's beside the point. He like other high profile remainers are often fully paid up members of the metropolitan elite and too many have passed sneering opinions on the less fortunate who do not inhabit their world and there doesn't seem to be any possibilty AA Gill, Eddie Izzard, Bob Geldof, Emma Thompson et all will move to say Boston, Lincs anytime soon, where over 75% of the population there overwhelmingly voted to leave. I know Emma Thompson finds England per se as a grey, miserable, cake filled hole, whatever that's supposed to mean, nevertheless I can't help feeling that leafy Hampstead isn't quite as depressed as some of the regions where the Brexit vote prevailed is.