As the hysterical left weep into their lattes...

Sorry, Joelsnan, not watching that. Not just any old MEP, it's Daniel Hannan.
Can't remember which BBC reporter was shouting at him over the weekend for backtracking already.

I think it was Newsnight, when Hannan said that the NHS pledge and cutting immigration was all a misunderstanding.

Leave blame UKIP and they blame leave for any misunderstandings (new word for lies).

I dont have time to read all threads and posts currently - I am on 13 threads just to do with the referendum!
I am losing track.

I know there are posts on here and various other ones asking questions directly to me.
I will try and get to them when I can, if anyone is still interested after life has moved on

Elegran, yes I could relocate to Scotland, but I'll wait and see developments on that one. I fancy Edinburgh! Dublin is going to be easier as I can fly in, teach my part of the course and return home. Things are looking better, but sadly the English Uni will lose the courses.

Yes, it may seem selfish to be concerned about myself when so many people are going to struggle, but we have to be practical on a personal level too and devise ways of minimising the effects. Thanks for asking. x

Welshwife, and daphnedill when I said British Industry, I was including new businesses in that.
Welshwife, you quote Tata which is Indian is it not?

Alea, I deliberately shop in areas of high unemployment.

dramatictessa, I can't find your post, but yes I did mean what I said. I always do.

Perhaps for obione's sanity, as she is on 13 threads and getting confused, it would be best to ignore her for a while. For her sake, of course (yes, a very well know Neanderthal tactic, as said before, but maybe for the best).

Signing off now- basta cosi.

There's certainly plenty of abuse about.

I was called an idiot for voting remain as in 20 years there wouldn't be many British people left. I have known this man for thirty years.

Co workers have called my daughter a bad loser - this isn't a lost bet at the bookies she is upset about, her husband is a Scot. The country (UK) our fathers and grandfathers fought for may soon not exist.

Meanwhile in the real world people I know are 'crying into their lattes' (offensive abuse)for other reasons.

One friend retires in two years, her pension pot is dependent on the stock market and she is losing retirement money every day. Another had her life savings invested in a savings product linked to UK stocks (down 11% and falling). Three other friends work bidding for and working on EU funded training and disability support projects in areas of high unemployment; one knows they have two years to find other work, one has been given notice and the other isn't sure yet when her job will end. A local farmer (Conservative voter, hardly a 'luvvie') who is dependent on EU grants and legislation (EU 'green crap') to support conservation practices says her investment in her organic farm is vulnerable.

When I posted on Facebook about my three friends one response was: 'tough, a price well worth paying and they will just have to get off their and find new jobs'.

There are lots of companies saying they are transferring work to other EU countries on the news today. I expect their families and friends are pretty upset too.

On Friday we spent £250bn or 8 years EU contributions propping up Sterling and billions more today Worried? 'that's scaremongering talk' 'calm down dear' - Whatever the long term prospects it's a very expensive short term bill for exit that certainly won't be going to support the NHS soon.

Maybe it will all come right at the end, we all hope so and will do our best but just allow people who are genuinely hurt and upset a little time to grieve and be angry please? We are nearly half my nation and in the case of Scotland most of the nation.

Yes remain constitute 50% of the electorate. They must listen to us.

I am completely devastated especially for my children and grandchildren I cannot believe the stupidity of the interviewees on TV saying things like well the government will have to give us the money we are loosing from the EU.
We are not well off but are reliant on house prices keeping stable some hope!

Well said Annam:I, too have had Facebook abuse because of my stance on remaining...from my oldest friend from schooldays. This is the first time the whole of my family have totally agreed on something.We are in bits.

*God! What a patronising post gj!

Sock it back to 'er obie!

Can't believe how much nastiness about, even on here.
By the way, Boris did not expect to get the out verdict and that's why he is now like a rabbit caught in the headlights and doesn't know what to say or what to do. Even his sister voted Remain.
Well all you leavers - be careful what you wish for.

I wish I could jingl

But I have to love her, and someone else and I do

I don't like coffee at all, let alone latte but at a public performance on Saturday night I found myself crying at Land of Hope and Glory (because it doesn't feel that it is, any more) and yesterday at hearing Elgar's cello concerto, which for me has always been associated with patriotic feelings.

No amount of jollying along is going to change my feelings. I remember the 50s & 60s and they weren't a particularly glorious time for Britain. I don't want to go back there.

Oh Obie! That's very sweet. x

I cannot believe the venom, animosity and indeed hatred on here! What ever happened to 'stiff upper lip'? I have worked for the police for 33 years and have seen the 'darker' side of mankind with racial hatred being high on the agenda of unacceptable behaviour with severe penalties for those perpetraters, and rightly so. Those of us who are not racists are being labelled something we are not just because of the way we voted. Should we all have 'gone with the flow' for the fear of being accused of racism? That certainly never entered my head when I voted out. Before the referendum everyone I knew constantly complained of the EU and its oftentimes ridiculous and pathetic regulations so why now are so many swinging the other way? Having said that most stood by their convictions otherwise the result would have turned out differently. In all this gloom and doom does no one remember 1985 when the housing market spiralled downwards as interest rates soared, I certainly do when we had to take out a loan to cover our mortgage that went up £800 a month, and hey guess what, we were in the EU then!

Good post cupcake I agree completely.

Same here, MazieD.

I don't want to say or read the sort of personal, humiliating, insulting things I've seen here today (on both sides). It really upsets me and can only increase an already large schism.

I like to deal with facts as they have a way of focussing our attention on the things we can do and change and can reduce the emotional charge of a discussion I can see why there are differences of opinions on some issues. But not on others. Not where the hard known facts suggest that honest opinion cannot support it.

There are not simply two perspectives: Leave and Remain.

There are a huge number of voices in the middle that were unsure which way to vote...and have pledged their vote far from sure whether it will be a good thing or not.

I can only imagine how they are feeling today, watching the pound and the markets and hoping against hope that things will get better soon.

Surely that is something we all hope for : that things will -factually - get better soon?

We do not help by insulting one another, denigrating who we are, whether by labelling leavers as 'rascist' or remainers as "hysterical, latte-loving lefties".

If the moderators of Gransnet do not step in soon (including with regard to the person who started this unfortunate thread with its regrettably, divisive and personal insults at its core, not saved by simply saying they were quoting someone else) then I am off.

Maybe that is what Gransnet wants? Maybe the start of this thread is shared by the Gransnet "Moderator"? Why not the starting one? I cannot work out the rules by which moderating here works.

Every time I here the news, I get more depressed about our children's and grandchildren's future. We set the country adrift on an unknown sea and now the government is falling apart, or at least the labour party is, and I suspect the conservatives will when they have to choose Boris.

The only positive way forward I can see is a new party that has the right people to take us forward, but there sure aren't those people in a single existing party.

I think our politicians have a lot to answer for, Boris and his cronies for the lies and the Tories and Labour for not being aggressive enough. IMO, the country was conned.

I also get annoyed about the talk of an age split in the voting, most of my aged friends voted to remain because they were considering their C & GC.

cupcake1 That was nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with Margaret Thatcher.

You may have voted out and you may have friends who complain about the EU but how much of that has been because of the biased information you have been fed over the years by the press?

I have never heard anyone who voted in accuse all the leave voters of being racists, but I have heard it said that the Leave campaign encouraged racism and all the racists voted out.

GandTea we don't need a new party. Join the Liberal Democrats. We have an excellent leader in Tim Farron, somewhat to the left of the party but a passionate and effective campaigner, and unlike the Labour, Conservative and Green parties, we are not having a leadership contest.

A proliferation of new centre/left parties will only help UKIP and the Tory right wing. Under the FPTP system it is very difficult for smaller parties without massive funding from big business or trade unions or the backing of the down market tabloid press to get fair representation in parliament. Thousands of new members have joined in the last few days. Please join us.

Well said Nonio!

Nonio, GNHQ rely on GN members reporting posts someone considers offensive to them, they don't go around monitoring threads. It's entirely up to you if you want to report the OP.