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As the hysterical left weep into their lattes...

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thatbags Mon 27-Jun-16 06:45:30

Well said, Libby Purves and Peter Tatchell! Tatchell is quoted as saying "The left must listen to Brexit supporters and their concerns. Very wrong to dismiss them all as racists and xenophobes". Of those anguished 'hysterical lefties': "many of them mean well [ouch!] yet elitism erupted like a poisoned boil". Superb!

Elitism. The other thing the hysterical left whine about when they're not too busy calling anyone who doesn't agree with them a bigot. Yes. Quite. In spite of my high level of education, and my husband's, we both "get it" in a way that many with similar backgrounds don't seem to. Perhaps we still feel a connect to those of our families who were at the runt end of society only two generations ago. Perhaps we understand better the effect of "arrogant, incompetent Brussels institutions, and the decades when governments neglected inequality".

Purves does not skim over actual racism at all, but she says quite rightly that the vast majority of people are not racists or xenophobes. She's right.

Thank you, Libby Purves.

Marieeliz Mon 27-Jun-16 12:00:54

Yes, went out to lunch Friday with two former colleagues who were calling those who voted out "Politically illiterate", I said "that's me then". How dare these people dismiss other peoples opinions just because it is not the same as theirs. I find this with a lot of left wing people though, I am neither right nor left. I am made to feel like some kind of Nazi.

Ginny42 Mon 27-Jun-16 12:00:59

Update on my previous post re: losing my job. Wellwishers (thanks for the PMs and other messages btw) may like to know that in the last hour I've been informed that the work will transfer to Ireland and Scotland should they leave the UK.

Morghew70 Mon 27-Jun-16 12:02:16

Whatever happened to that great British quality - tolerance. We have all got to move forward together and all this fighting amongst ourselves will make it much harder. Rather like being a parent most of us did our best to do the right thing - it wasn't as simple as age, class, race, many, many people didn't decide until they went to the polling station. Maybe we have got it wrong, but we have to make the best of it. Nothing is going to happen tomorrow their is a lot to untangle so maybe everyone can calm down over the next few months and try and share a latte with someone who voted the opposite way.

Tegan Mon 27-Jun-16 12:06:35

Ginny42: I'm so sorry to hear that. Virtual hug for you.But,as I was told it is selfish of people worrying about their job when we are on the cusp of a great new era.

GillT57 Mon 27-Jun-16 12:09:02

platitudes dont pay the bills Morghew70 for those losing their jobs. I hope that I will eventually get a rational grip but at the moment I am getting angrier and angrier as the news unfolds. Ironically the two most boastful brexiters in my acquaintance both have non eu, non commonwealth member of their own close families, people with no chance of getting into the Uk on this much vaunted Australian point's system.

Lazigirl Mon 27-Jun-16 12:11:41

It's so easy to stereotype those who don't agree with you. I could certainly be described as "poorish and old". I am not particularly well educated and am actually more sad than frightened. I voted Remain and I have not been overcome by hysteria or weeping into my latte, but am sad that we will go through a prolonged period of economic uncertainty when the poor will be the ones who will bear the brunt. This will exacerbate feelings of exclusion, not encourage unity. I am sad that the Labour Party is in a state of turmoil at this crucial time when they could be promoting the need to safeguard jobs and workers rights. I am sad that my son, who is a clerical worker in a London bank (not well paid) is likely to lose his job as he works in foreign exchange, as he did when Lehmans failed and we will have to help pay his mortgage, even though past retirement we are still paying our own.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 12:21:32

Sorry Skullduggery. Realised that after I posted.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 12:22:25

(I voted Remain btw)

Maggieanne Mon 27-Jun-16 12:22:26

This is not a discussion, it is a tirade of hate, by a few, at those that they disagree with. What is wrong with you all, giving an opinion doesn't mean that you are fair game for such spiteful, nasty comments. I suppose that I will now be harangued!

Diddy1 Mon 27-Jun-16 12:34:01

I am so tired of the word BREXIT, now its done and will take at least two years to materialise, we have to accept it, and all pull together to make Britain stay GREAT.

Elegran Mon 27-Jun-16 12:34:03

'we did it after the war, lets all pull together' crap. Do you really think this is what we want? Is this what you want for your children and grandchildren?"

No! I want my children and grandchildren to live in a peaceful united country, to live in pleasant places with friendly people of all colours, religions and nationalities, to have guaranteed employment in jobs they love, surrounded by excellent colleagues and managed by wise employers, the children absorbing a love of knowledge and tolerance beside others from diverse backgrounds, with the best minds and hearts to guide them. Don't we all?

But we don't get any of those by squabbling with each other on here about how we voted, or why. We get it by people like you, GillT57, saying to your employee that we are not all the same as those ignorant bigots - and acting to prove it.

Bluecat Mon 27-Jun-16 12:34:10

Skullduggery may have put it a bit harshly but I think she is basically right.

It isn't hysteria. The economy has been hit, people will lose their jobs, property prices will almost certainly fall and prices will rise...but that's only part of it. What happens later, when the dust settles and (hopefully) the pound creeps back up against the dollar? Osborne is already saying that public finances will be affected - more austerity measures? EU and British legislation will have to be separated - do we believe that the EU laws protecting worker's rights will remain? And then there are all the opportunities the UK will never get and never even know we might have had - all the companies who will no longer want to invest here or create jobs here, as we are no longer part of a powerful international union.

It's not our generation that will suffer the most, though it will hit us too. It's the young ones, and they know it. That's why most of them voted for Remain.

As for racism...Has anyone looked at the headlines screamed by the Daily Mail, etc? Blatant attempts to whip up fear and hatred and many - not just working class people! - fell for it. And I speak as someone who is still at the "runt end" of society. We're not all posh here, you know!

Elegran Mon 27-Jun-16 12:35:45

Strange, I was just thinking that we had not heard from GillT57 or gillybob and decided that it was because they were too busy on damage limitation within their own businesses.

Morghew70 Mon 27-Jun-16 12:35:52

GillT57 (not sure how to make this appear in bold) - platitudes may not pay the bills, but nor will arguing. I'm so surprised at how bitter people are when we don't know what is going to happen, we can only speculate.

Elegran Mon 27-Jun-16 12:36:41

Ginny42 Can you relocate to Scotland?

Elegran Mon 27-Jun-16 12:40:21

Sometimes platitudes are truisms - things have become cliches but are still true.

nanakate Mon 27-Jun-16 12:55:09

Tatchell: "The left must listen to Brexit supporters and their concerns. Very wrong to dismiss them all as racists and xenophobes".
Nanakate: "The right must listen to Remain supporters and their concerns. Very wrong to dismiss them all as hysterical lefties and latte drinkers."

whitewave Mon 27-Jun-16 12:57:57

It is more important now to listen to the remain supporters asBrexit make their decisions they have 50% of the country they have to convince.

granjura Mon 27-Jun-16 12:58:48

nanakate and Elegran- I agree- just pathetic jibes...

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 27-Jun-16 13:00:26

Morghew70 put a * either side of the words you wish to appear in bold.

Elegran Mon 27-Jun-16 13:04:24

Nice juxtaposition, nanakate

Joelsnan Mon 27-Jun-16 13:08:25

An enlightening watch
An MEPs view of the EU
youtu.be/tzNj-hH8LkY

grannyJillyT Mon 27-Jun-16 13:30:19

Love you that bags, my sentiments exactly! smile

GillT57 Mon 27-Jun-16 13:32:34

Elegran I am working so dont have the time to pop on gransnet as much as i would like.grin I agree with what you say about what we want for our children and grandchildren, but surely we can all agree that irrespective of how we voted, nobody on here wants to witness the rising tide of racial hatred that is being reported? The economy is already showing signs of trouble. and although many people on GN and in the media are saying that we need to accept the result and get over it, well I just cant get over it, I am angered and saddened and frightened. And for what it is worth ( so that I dont get dismissed by some as a latte drinking leftie) I am angry at Corbyn's lack of concern for the very people he is supposed to represent, the people who will think they have given the establishment/government/tories/bankers/posh latte drinking lefties etc... a kick in the teeth when the reality is we now face an even more right wing government. Corbyn should have been talking about this distinct possibility that has now become a likelihood.

Jaycee5 Mon 27-Jun-16 13:39:51

Alea John Lewis also pay full UK tax and have argued for all corporations to do so.
I think shopping is the most political thing that people can do and yet people will still shop at stores that use workfare or have unethical practices at virtually every stage of their business like Tesco.
We could achieve a lot more by taking on the corporations and buying ethically than we ever will by voting.