Just a thought

For most of my married life I have not had paid employment but I would be very angry if someone suggested I had not worked. Stay at homes do all the childcare,care of elderly relatives, I even cleaned my sister's home and did her ironing because she had to work full time. DS once suggested I should get a job and not bludge on his father

Outofstep, so I repeat my post of 18.43pm Has she got special needs?

I stand condemned / corrected for my lack of understanding and not interpreting posts properly ie reading between the lines. Must do better. But then my school reports probably did always say that.

I was just wondering what the poor woman is meant to do, other than go to her GP, if she has numerous health issues?

I did not make any assertions about what you know about your neighbour, outofstep. I queried what you claimed to know. You have answered my query.

What you say your neighbour was saying about immigrants is indeed bad, as I've already said twice. I have no problem with your condemning what she said, as I have also made clear more than once.

jings and ann, I was never in a hole (see the IF statement up thread) and never will be while defending someone who isn't here to defend herself. I did not defend what she said about immigrants. Nor did I attack the OP; I attacked what the OP said about her neighbour.

"...could never manage to ride a bike..."

Oh dear!

(that was to bags)

But it's a hole...!

Any irritation that I had with my neighbour's attitude stemmed from the fact that she was condemning a group of people about whom she knew nothing. Contrary to your assertions that bags, I know a great deal about my neighbour, certainly a great deal more than she knows about all the immigrants that she so roundly condemns.

There's a reason why I got hot under the collar about the tone of the opening post and the expressions in it: someone with a sour outlook could have described my husband's mother in terms similar to those. She had no skills or qualifications (except for being good mother which obviously doesn't count when bitchiness or ability to earn money is the over-riding sentiment [sarc emoji]). She was illterate—you know, couldn't read. Her grasp of the English language was far below that of several of my non-British, non-native English-speaking friends. Is she to be blamed and scoffed at for these things that weren't her fault?

No.

And not just no, a resounding no!

Only a fuckwit would think so had they known her.

If I'm in a hole it's a hole I'm proud of.

Outofstepwithumanity I think you are looking down on your neighbour and perhaps doing a bit of virtue signalling. All this 'wearing IN badge with pride' is nonsense.
You also say 'in your Utopia'...... Exactly, this is not Uptopia, but may become Dystopia if we had carried on in the EU for much longer.

No-one would describe a neighbour like that except out of extreme contempt. The contempt may be justified, but it is equal to contempt the neighbour had towards immigrants, according to the OP. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I answered your question, ann. You asked where worthless scum had come from. I told you. It's my interpretation on the OP's post.

When in a hole....

If I had written a post like that about someone I think you would have seen it, dj.

Maybe nobody else saw it because it wasn't there.

Worthless scum comes from my assessment of the OP's assessment of her neighbour. Why? Because I would only talk like that about someone if I thought them worthless scum.

In other words, it's highly unlikely I would talk about someone in that way.

"never worked", for instance, usually means "has never had a paid job" (that the OP knows of anyway) as if paid work were the only kind of work.

"lived off her husband's earnings" is a mean way of saying that the household or family income was shared between all the members of the family/household, usually by agreement.

"has no skills or qualifications". I don't believe the OP knows this. And anyway the husband may not agree and he presumably knows his wife better than a mere snotty neighbour.

"whose grasp of the English language is way below..."

ETC

That's where "worthless scum" comes from. I don't believe nobody else saw it. It's a disgusting way to talk about someone.

I dare say you are sorry you posted now OP.
You hsybr certainly learned how condemning some GNers can be, and where does worthless scum come in?

The person I knew who sounded like the lady, could never read or write properly, and could never manage to ride a bike.

There may have been some laziness in him, I don't know, but boy was his life hard. He had to get neighbours to read his post for example. Life must have been rather exhausting for him.

Outofstepwithhumanity.
Do you think she got special needs? You say you know her personal circumstances so you might know this.

I have nothing to get over I am pleased with the out vote. I feel the INs may never get over it. Shame.

I'm rather struck by the irony of your post. Do you see it?

Tough luck firecracker -you'll be reminded constantly of how daft it was to vote brexit when your taxes go up and your services are cut. Just remember -you did this. GET OVER THAT!

I am proudly wearing a badge saying I voted OUT.
I am fed up with all the moaning nasty sarcastic posts and threads on Gransnet at the moment. As my daughter would say GET OVER IT.

I lived off my husband's earnings. Still do.