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Anniebach Mon 04-Jul-16 10:10:44

Farage is standing down as leader of UKIP

daphnedill Wed 06-Jul-16 08:08:12

On the subect of the £350,000, which Leave campaigners denied they promised, I just found this:

Gisela Stuart, Vote Leave Chair, said:
'The NHS is already struggling to cope with a lack of funding and huge demand. Rather than sending money abroad to countries that want to join the EU I believe we should be spending our money on our priorities here in the UK.
'Instead of giving an extra 88 million people - more than our entire population - access to the NHS I believe it would be safer to take back control. We should give our struggling NHS the £350 million we send to the EU every week.'

www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/uk_pays_1_8_billion_to_help_albania_and_turkey_join_the_eu

That seems pretty clear to me.

JessM Wed 06-Jul-16 08:03:05

bags the word "experts" does not equate to "polymaths".
There is a great deal more knowledge and complication in the world these days and experts have to specialise as we no longer live in the days of Leonardo da Vinci. Or even in the mid 19th century when someone could have quite quickly studied the entire sum of scientific knowledge and moved on to another field.
Thus, in there referendum campaign we had experts on economics from around the world saying that it was a bad idea to leave the EU. Also experts from the world of health care saying it would harm the NHS. Experts from the scientific world saying it would harm UK science. All the university chancellors (each of them with their individual expertise no doubt, but all of them with expertise in higher education) saying it would be a huge mistake. And so on. We also had the UK Statistic Authority (independent experts) saying quite clearly that some of the claims of the campaign were based on little evidence. The most notorious is, and probably always will be, the £350 on the NHS.

daphnedill Wed 06-Jul-16 07:35:01

It was on LBC.

This is what he said:

Farage: I am disgusted at the way May has been speaking. The EU nationals living in the UK came here legally and they have protected rights.

whitewave Wed 06-Jul-16 07:22:19

Wouldn't that have been the article?

thatbags Wed 06-Jul-16 07:15:40

Well. I thought I had. Googled "Farage disgusted" and got links that looked right but they took me to Guardian reporting about the Tory Party Leadership contest.

Do you have a direct link to an actual report, please, dd?

thatbags Wed 06-Jul-16 07:11:52

No worries. Found it.

thatbags Wed 06-Jul-16 07:10:45

Where is that reported, please, dd?

thatbags Wed 06-Jul-16 07:10:08

A tweet about so-called experts by a Remainer I follow. (He's a botanist). I think the point is that experts are usually expert within a very small field of knowledge. There are very few polymaths in the world today and even polymaths can be wrong about human nature while being full of knowledge. Knowledge isn't the same as wisdom.

Random post.

whitewave Wed 06-Jul-16 07:01:36

Would it not be possible for someone like the tax payers alliance to sue Farage for taking money and not doing the job he is being paid to do?

daphnedill Wed 06-Jul-16 06:39:13

Farage is 'disgusted' at May's refusal to promise EU nationals they can stay in UK.

You couldn't make it up!

JessM Wed 06-Jul-16 06:36:52

I don't think UKIP has many active members. It has one extremely rich backer and Nigel Farage was his darling as long as Farage kept getting press coverage.
Can I suggest some lightly intellectual reading for those who voted to Leave and still convinced that it was a great idea despite the fact the pound keeps falling to new 30 year lows.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
Gove was obviously bright enough to get a scholarship to a posh private school in Scotland. However being good at school work does not mean that he has acquired a smidgen of mature judgement about the real world. As most secondary school teachers in England will attest.

thatbags Wed 06-Jul-16 06:19:32

Alice Thomson opinion article on Farage and what the Tory and Labour Parties should do about 3.8 million Ukip voters now that the "Ukip one man band" has achieved its aim.

suzied Wed 06-Jul-16 06:12:00

Zorro - you missed out "taking our jobs" on your list

suzied Wed 06-Jul-16 05:55:39

Which posts should Farage send to the police? I don't see any death or rape threats. I think the worse anyone's called him on here is a liar ( and that's true)

daphnedill Wed 06-Jul-16 02:44:41

Really? Never seen so much vitriol? grin I can direct you to quite a few with real vitriol if you want.

It surprises me at times that mature people with access to the internet can come up with some of the things they do.

The UK is keen to keep those countries on our side, but it has also been stated quite clearly that they are in no state to join the the EU for decades.

maddyone Wed 06-Jul-16 00:14:33

Good for you Zorro, there have been some extremely vitriolic remarks on here over Brexit and Farage and quite frankly I don't like it. I'm surprised mature! people feel able to make such vitriolic comments, much as I'm surprised about the demands from many that we rerun the referendum because apparently people didn't know what they were voting for if they voted out. I think people knew perfectly well what they were voting for, and for others to seek to demean them because they don't agree with them is appalling. Accept the result with good grace.

Zorro21 Tue 05-Jul-16 23:43:28

Badenkate

I've never seen so much vitriol on a site ever before - poor Farage - if I were him I'd be sending these posts to the Police.

Zorro21 Tue 05-Jul-16 23:38:50

Tegan Tue 05-Jul-16 23:21:22

I think that definitely disproves the theory that Brexiters aren't intelligent, doesn't it!

Badenkate Tue 05-Jul-16 23:05:54

Good heavens! You've quite taken my breath away Zorro21! I don't think I've ever read so unpleasant a post.

Zorro21 Tue 05-Jul-16 23:00:24

trisher Tue 05-Jul-16 22:38:24

I was always told that in victory you should be magnanimous. Instead of criticising us Remainers for being bad tempered perhaps you should try this. Or could it be that you know how precarious everything is and you are trying to deflect attention?
Bad Winners.

thatbags Tue 05-Jul-16 22:22:54

Gove is renowned for his intellect. As are several other well-known Brexiters.

Some people chose not to speak at all so no sympathy for them whatever happens. Of those who spoke, the majority spoke for out.

Whether all will suffer will become apparent in due course. Until it does, it's a prediction by some experts and intellectuals. Other experts and intellectuals disagree with them. All of which is as per usual with almost everything regarding human affairs that experts and intellectuals talk about.

daphnedill Tue 05-Jul-16 20:13:09

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”

Isaac Asimov

suzied Tue 05-Jul-16 19:46:24

Although the Farage poster and the murder of Jo Cox reminded me of pivotal events in the past.