Theresa May

'Stopping paying into the EU should speed things up a bit.'

Obie, we do not do that for at least two years. It's not triggering article 50, then stop. Doesn't work like that.

Anything we list as positive, you will see as negative durhamjen.

I once listened to a speech by Hillary Clinton where she was doing some self praise of what she had achievewd. She thought and assumed that she was being positive. I didnt like a single thing of what she had said and considered it all negative.

Lots of discussions will be going on behind the scenes. I think,for a start, farmers and fishermen being able to discuss and form appropriate policies with their own government, without the approval of 27 other nations is a practical thing to be able to do, certainly makes much more sense, as it would for all nations bearing in mind we all have different needs and attitudes.

The Remainiacs are still so unaccepting of the referendum result.

It is still extraordinarily difficult to be 'accepting' of a result which we are sure will be deeply damaging to the country. It's one thing to be upset by a General Election result which one doesn't like; you know that there will be a chance to overturn it in a few year's time. But we can't just hop in and out of the EU on a whim.

Surely even they can see that we can't just say "right we're off" and that's it.

And who, among the Remainers, is saying that?

Plenty of positivity from both Niggly and Gagagran. Some people only see what they want to see...

Still all word games, though.
Haven't seen a single practical idea coming out of the Brexiteers.
All negative; nothing positive.

I did mean dds post of 10.03 which is the one I quoted from.

obieone the post at 10. 03 is what is known as sarcasm. Some sarcasm is very subtle but that was 'in your face' sarcasm.

and obieone!

Thank you Gagagran, I totally agree with your comments too. To just to have upped and left in a fit of pique would have been ridiculous,ill mannered and totally self defeating both for us and the other members of the EU. I think we have the best possible person in Mrs May to negotiate our future relationship with Europe for the benefit of both us and them. Like you I am certain that in time it will be seen to have been the best thing we have done for many a year, and thank goodness this one and only opportunity was taken and not thrown away to regret at leisure sometime in the future! It will need patience and goodwill on all sides to achieve a satisfactory outcome, but it can be done, no doubt about it.

Good posts Gagagran, nigglynellie and rosesarered.

I think word games are resorted to if counter arguments are not working.

Good post nellie and I can't see much wrong with it either. The Remainiacs are still so unaccepting of the referendum result.

Surely even they can see that we can't just say "right we're off" and that's it. With good will and some positivity from all sides this can be a wonderful opportunity to regain our own decision making with the ability to vote out a government which doesn't suit. That's impossible with the EU bureaucrats calling the shots. That's what it was about for me and that's what I think democracy means.

There is a huge amount of planning going on behind the scenes right now and in due course Mrs May will announce where and when we make our move. She will not be rushed into action just to pacify the hot-heads nor will she show all her cards until the right time. I have confidence that this will all work out to be the best thing the UK could have done but patience is required.

For me, Brexit means not being subject to most of the rules and regulations that have come out of the EU over the past 40 years. It means being able to govern our country as we see fit in every respect, we are able to you know- just!! It means being having a close relationship with Europe but not being run by it. It means politically that 'one size does not fit all'. Basically it means taking responsibility for our own affairs and respecting the fact that others can do the same should they wish to. I can't see much wrong with that.

Stopping paying into the EU should speed things up a bit!

There's a lot of evasion, defensive behaviour and and counter accusation on this thread but still nobody willing to stick their neck out and say what Brexit means - even what it means to them personally.

If you can't answer DDs question then you are not alone. Neither can Johnson, Gove, Farage answer it. Or Theresa May, come to that. Cameron has got us into a complete mess - which is presumably why May has put some of the architects of the mess into the firing line to see if they can come up with an way out of the mire. So we do understand your problem folks if you can't tell us what it means. But do feel free to try.

What a well-articulated argument!

No, the EU won't stay the same. That's precisely why negotiated ground rules (policies,laws, etc) are needed.

Raging, Ana? Where is your evidence for that? All I've done is ask a straightforward question and am waiting for an answer.

If the people who voted Leave aren't Europhobics (ie against remaining in the EU) what the heck are they?

This is beginning to seem increasingly like a wind up.

roses, We should have left the decision whether to stay in the EU to the government IMHO.

A poster told me that I should become more bal..y
Perhaps they are right!!

Actually the entire post of 10.03am is bunkum too.

Those who wanted to remain DO know the details. They wanted to retain the status quo.

Poppycock! Rubbish!
Nothing stays the same.

Do you believe all those who voted Leave are 'Europhobics' daphnedill?

Rather a sweeping statement...I'm sure there was a lot more to their decision than just having a raging antipathy to the rest of Europe!

niggly

Oh, so we should all make policies, and not leave it to the Government of the day?
No need for a Government at all then, we can dipense with their services.

How will you know if it isn't BREXIT, if you don't know what BREXIT is? Perhaps you can verbalise that.

obieone,

Those who wanted to remain DO know the details. They wanted to retain the status quo.

rosesarered,

Those who wanted to leave are very fond of going on about democracy. Democracy comes along with responsibilities. If you make a choice, you have to take responsibility for your actions, not just stick your head in the sand and say it's somebody else's (the government's) problem. Europhobics had over 40 years to stop being so negative. I would have thought somebody might have come up with a positive alternative, but it would appear not.

I know! Why doesn't the government engage the services of all the people on here who clearly have all the answers, are politically more astute and know more about anything and everything than any politician you can name past or present going back into the mists of time both here and on the continent. I can't understand why Mrs May hasn't thought of it, it seems so obvious!!