Theresa May

Why do some ( Remain, as was ) posters think that anyone who voted to leave the EU on Gransnet somehow supply all the answers as to EXACTLY who the UK will be making trade deals with for the future? That is for our Government to decide, and, as we have made trade deals for centuries, why all the doubt that we are able to make them now?

I and many others who dont know the details will know if it isnt BREXIT.

REMAIN didnt know the details either, which was part the point to some of why they voted BREXIT.
In my personal case, quite a lot actually, as the future in REMAIN was looking decidely murky.

I forgot my own personal rule of not getting into a play the word game on here.

I dont have to achieve it Gracesgran.

Obieone how on earth can you achieve what you cannot specify. You may know what you mean by Brexit but if you cannot articulate it and the person next to you who voted leave cannot articulate what they mean either how can anyone know if you both mean the same thing!!!

I read the threads with interest waiting for the next Obieism and they often horrify me but this makes me weap.

I'm not running round like Henny Penny. I'm asking a straightforward question.

I was/am a Remainer, but yes, I agree that there may come a time when we will be glad that we came out. Who knows what lies ahead for the EU? I'd still rather be able to press rewind and have a different result though

Well, roses, obieone clearly doesn't know what it means if s/he is unable to 'verbalise' it.

And it doesn't actually matter what the EU would 'look like' in 5 years. 'Remain' just means that we would still be 'in' it as opposed to hovering on the edges waiting for crumbs.

So what will it mean, if it's so obvious to you?

Trade deals and the movement of goods, people, services and capital are at the core of the UK's relationship with the EU and the rest of the world, so can't be dismissed so lightly. They are not some kind of 'add on'.

So I'll repeat my question. What exactly does BREXIT mean?

'Remain' means stay in the EC with all its positive and tangible advantages plus being in a position to shape its future.

I can articulate that.

Whereas believing in a vague feeling that Brexit is good but which cannot be put into words induces in me feelings which I could 'verbalise' but won't because I might be banned.

Good point Obieone because nobody has a clue what Remain may look like 5 years hence.

What tosh, to say that we don't know what Brexit means, of course we do!
Saying that Brexit means Brexit meant that there is not going to be another referendum, nor will it be fudged, we are leaving the EU.
What trade deals will be done with who, is a different thing entirely, but it will happen at some point.No need for people to be running arounf like Henny Penny saying the sky is going to fall in.

I hope that the government and the negotiators, who will be appointed to carry out the government's wishes, can verbalise what they want when they sit round a table and try to draw up plans. It's always a good idea to know what kind of deal you want before you start negotiating.

What did REMAIN mean daphnedill? Do you know? Do you MaizieD?

No, but the powers that be, both seen and unseen, could try and mess things up.

obieone
I also think that if people start messing it up, that taxes for instance, might be unlikely to be paid en masse
Are you seriously suggesting that our civil servants are so stupid that things would/could get that bad?

We might never know, dd, because it apparently can't be verbalised. [Weeps quietly while rocking back and forth in foetal position]

So what does BREXIT mean?

varian. Au contraire. We may not be able to verbalise it, but we know what we mean. And if this is still a country of democracy, it will happen.

I also think that if people start messing it up, that taxes for instance, might be unlikely to be paid en masse

I think I read somewhere that there are more civil servants in the Brexit department than there are rooms to put them in.

I have to grin to myself when I imagine all the panic behind the scenes. They hadn't a clue - let's hope they are a bit more clued up by the new parliamentary term. No doubt they are totally reliable on their civil servants.

It was easy enough for Theresa May to say "Brexit means Brexit" but nobody, not even the Brexiters, know what exactly Brexit means.

I am sure she has eyes on him in some way Jen. I think he will have to decide it is worth doing properly or he will get fed up and give up politics. He probably has too much to loose to do that so we will probably find out if he is able to do a decent job.

We do have some volatile characters in the three Brexiteeers[concerned]

Depends on what a mess Boris has made of things while she's been away!
Fancy leaving him in charge.

With the holidays and the Olympics there seems to be a lot going on behind the scenes government wise with very little attempt by the media to hold them to account. I wonder what we are going to find when the journalists get back from their holidays and Parliament reconvenes

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/uk-regions/news/78308/theresa-may-scrap-george-osbornes-local-mayor-push-report

This is interesting, particularly as she's still on holiday, I think, or she might be in China, trying to calm them down about Hinckley.
Why do you think she is doing this? Worried that the whole of the North will elect Labour mayors?