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So: what will Cameron's Legacy Be?

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gettingonabit Sat 16-Jul-16 14:34:21

So-he called an arguably unnecessary referendum, a tactic which ended in personal failure. He highlighted the need for the Big Society, which fell into oblivion. He styled himself as a normal bloke and rode a bike to work, only to be ridiculed when it was noted that his car was following him behind. He was an Old Etonian who surrounded himself with toffs and was accused by a fellow MP of not knowing the price of milk.

He promised change but, on his watch, the gap between rich and poor grew bigger. He oversaw the introduction of gay marriage. He was classed as an articulate speaker but (in my view at least!) was regularly outclassed by "weird" Ed Milliband at PMQs.

That's my take on Cameron's incumbency: what's yours?

radicalnan Sun 17-Jul-16 10:40:38

Disappointing that the father of a disabled child (who claimed benefits for his son) went out of his way to make it difficult for other disabled people to survive.

Gay marriage ??? He took the opportunity for the state to tell people that their religion is secondary to the sexual orientation of others. I believe in gay marriage but to force it onto churches is bizarre, time for a gay church I think, where people can accommodate their own preferences without affecting the long held beliefs of others.

He has presided over massive inequality, the bedroom tax, the wrong assessments of disabled people, the benefits sanctions and his horrible all over shine.........

A man equally estranged from compassion and a hot flannel. I am glad he has gone.

durhamjen Sun 17-Jul-16 10:46:45

speye.wordpress.com/2016/07/17/fully-occupied-yet-still-charged-the-bedroom-tax/

It's still going on, even though the three organisers are no longer in government.

Roses, I thought that everyone was supposed to want a more serious PMQs, as Corbyn tried to bring in. Obviously not.

rosesarered Sun 17-Jul-16 10:53:38

Why should Corbyn have been able to change the way PMQ's were done? When nobody else has ever been able ( or wanted to) rather arrogant of the man to think that he could do it ( or had a right to do it) but as we have seen, he is a very arrogant man anyway.

rosesarered Sun 17-Jul-16 10:55:24

radicalnan I laughed at the the last sentence of your post.grin

durhamjen Sun 17-Jul-16 11:22:08

Sorry, roses, you've got me there.
I recall people on here and elsewhere, saying pre-Corbyn, that they were fed up of PMQs as it was, and it needing to be more serious.
Silly Corbyn, and me, for having taken people at their word.
YAboo politics rules.

Barmyoldbat Sun 17-Jul-16 11:23:50

Anniebach and Gettingonabit you are so right about Cameron. Just out for himself and friends.

Parliament100 Sun 17-Jul-16 11:24:08

Ohh the irony, first of all after the right wing national press have kept up a deluge of news space blaming immigrants, immigration, and Asylum seekers for the ills of our country, and with free marketer David Cameron wanting us all to vote to stay in a Europe that have had a Social Democracy for decades, Cameron seemed shocked and upset at the result, despite the fact that the Tory supporting ultimately grubby Murdoch right wing gutter press have been waging war on immigrants/Asylum seekers seemingly for ever......

In my view this was a vote against immigrants coming to this country, when for decades Social Europe has had a massive influence over UK employment laws and rights, but these rights are now at risk.

Also, many people have believed that the “£50 Million” a day, according to the UKIP, we send to Europe, will now be used as investment into our vital services, including our National Health Service, when the fact is, it wont, because neither the Tory’s or for that matter the UKIP, believe in investment or subsidy, they only believe in privatisation, which is why regarding- our connections with Europe and our funding into Europe, we used to get a rebate which was used as funding, and it was up to our local authorities where to spend that money.

Now courtesy of the “out” voters, and the way I see it, income taxes will have to be raised to compensate for the money not coming from Europe, so it’s all rather a mess.

So following the “out” vote, we can all look forward to continued Austerity under a new Tory leader, as the Tory’s continue to ideologically reduce the size of the State, and get rid of the UK’s employment laws and rights..

Personally I feel sorry for the younger generations, many of whom aren’t even eligible to vote, their parents and grandparents have had their day over 30 years on from Margaret Thatcher who began what David Cameron and George Osborne were finishing.

In my view this in / out Europe referendum vote has divided our country even more than Margaret Thatcher’s era did, and we remain divided.

I see Jeremy Corbyn as this countries only hope, to truly unite this country and take us back into Europe, and make Europe’s Social Charter work for Britain.

But first Jeremy Corbyn has to get rid of the right wing Blairite’s, because Labour cannot be right wing, and Hilary Benn has been the first to be sacked, and good riddance, his late father Tony Benn must be turning in his grave.

All Blairite’s should join the Tory party where they belong....

henetha Sun 17-Jul-16 11:31:44

It's a mystery to me why anyone wants to be Prime Minister.
Once elected, everybody hates you and life is just one long round of endless criticism.

nigglynellie Sun 17-Jul-16 11:36:31

But Jeremy Corbyn is a Eurosceptic, has been all his parliamentary life, so why on earth would he take us back into the EU?! To change it from within? In your dreams!!! No doubt you'd welcome the new tyranny that will now be Turkey? What strange ideas you have !! confused

ladycatlover Sun 17-Jul-16 12:56:55

Hate to say it, but I think what will stick to the memory of Cameron will be that pig story!

Good riddance to a silly vain man who has wrecked our country.

VIOLETTE Sun 17-Jul-16 14:10:32

He will go down in history as being the instigator of the total dissolution of the European Union. The abandonment of British nationals living in Europe. The refusal, despite the earlier promise, to allow anyone living outside the UK a vote in the Referendum, the result of which clearly has an impact on Brits living in Europe.

His Bullingdon Club cohorts, total disregard for the common people of the UK and their fears and worries. Highest unemployment for a long time, reduction in benefits for those in need, abandonment of the elderly, closure of care homes, the ruination of the NHS, the loss of Britain's industrial heartland, a completely oblivious ability to see how the effects of the loss of hundreds and thousands of jobs would impact on not only those affected, but the tax not paid on income (because people have no income when made redundant !) the overcrowding of schools, hospitals, other services ....just shrugging his shoulders and paying lip service to the misery caused.

He deserved to go. I really hope that Theresa May means what she says about the ordinary working (and retired !) people of the UK ....and whilst she's about it, ensures that we ex pats at least know where we stand .....before we have to return to the UK and become a further burden on an already overburdened health and care service .......and without quoting the sanctimonious 'you made your bed now lie on it' clap trap .......

Bluecat Sun 17-Jul-16 14:16:26

Parliament100, I couldn't agree more.

HootyMcOwlface Sun 17-Jul-16 15:01:46

I don't think we will ever get back into the EU if we actually leave. I am absolutely sure the other members will never vote unanimously to let us back in, especially France, they didn't want us in in the first place. They will definitely use their veto!

As for Cameron, how he had the brass neck to laugh and joke at that final PMQ is beyond me. He should hang his head in shame. And I can't ever look at his stupid face without recalling that 'pig' story.

Sheilasue Sun 17-Jul-16 15:02:11

Never liked the man never struck me as an honest person. But who is in politics when you see what went on over the last few weeks it beggars belief (as me Mother would have said)

nigglynellie Sun 17-Jul-16 16:25:01

Tony Benn was totally opposed to us joining the Common Market in 1975 along with Enoch Powell, making strange bedfellows! Perhaps ruefully we should have listen to him and saved ourselves a load of trouble!!

Disgruntled Sun 17-Jul-16 19:20:52

I totally agree, Parliament 100. Well said.

maddyone Sun 17-Jul-16 20:09:45

Thought I'd joined a gransnet group, not the club for ageing socialists. Hey ho.

Tegan Sun 17-Jul-16 20:15:13

Just because Tony Benn was against the Common Market then doesn't mean that he would have been against the EU now, and I'm sure he would have been against anything that could have potentially caused unemployment and hardship to many people.

durhamjen Sun 17-Jul-16 20:27:13

"By claiming that Cameron’s ‘true legacy is not about the economy but about social justice’, May implies that she will make her government's focus on the latter more explicit. Moreover, she quickly follows a now familiar commitment to carry on in the ‘spirit’ of Cameron’s ‘one nation government’, with a reminder that the party’s ‘full name is the Conservative and Unionist Party’. ‘One nation’ — a term that was used regularly by all the competitors during the leadership contest — has come to symbolise a continuation of Cameron’s Big Society aims. But May uses it in this speech to represent a solution to division between the literal nations constituting the UK, as well as that between Disraeli’s hypothetical nations of rich and poor."

Anybody else find this a bit sick, Cameron's legacy was about social justice, says May.
She obviously omitted the words 'lack of'.

durhamjen Sun 17-Jul-16 20:29:25

Obviously on the wrong forum, maddyone. You need knitting or chat.

whitewave Sun 17-Jul-16 20:30:43

So many Tory leaders have begun their leadership with the same commitments. Not one has fulfilled their promise.

maddyone Sun 17-Jul-16 20:40:20

I can't knit, nor do I want to. I enjoy chatting including talking about politics, however find gransnet political threads rather leftist quite often, though clearly that is not true of all posts. I dislike the dismissal of the opinions of others that I sometimes note.

Parliament100 Sun 17-Jul-16 21:00:55

Cameron's legacy will be continuing what Thatcher started.

Parliament100 Sun 17-Jul-16 21:07:11

nigglynellie=, before Jeremy Corbyn was democratically elected leader of the Labour party, yes he was Euro sceptic.

But now Jeremy Corbyn is indeed leader of the Labour party, on winning the next General election Jeremy Corbyn will take Britain fully into Europe and make Europe's Social Charter work for Britain.

Parliament100 Sun 17-Jul-16 21:08:31

maddyone, I once knitted a scarf.............