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Austerity is a myth.

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Parliament100 Sat 16-Jul-16 14:44:16

Austerity is just a media tag, the reality is that since Thatcher the right wing Tory's have initiated an ideological attack on all the social improvements built up by the Labour Government after WW2, and what's worse Thatcher, Cameron, and Osborne have got away with it..

Anniebach Sat 16-Jul-16 21:08:43

Perhaps saying please will bring the strength you need Phoenix

phoenix Sat 16-Jul-16 20:56:07

Oh God (or any other deity) give me strength!

Anniebach Sat 16-Jul-16 20:32:56

No problem Jalima, my sight if failing and I have my hand and wrist in strapping, not good when using iPad .

The 19th century is so interesting, I spend several hours every day there , working on asylums this summer

Jalima Sat 16-Jul-16 20:28:12

Not forgetting that Blair and Brown helped quite a lot too gettingonabit
PFIs (the NHS, schools, the London Underground), turning the Civil Services into Agencies on the route to privatisation, privatisation of water, the start of academies etc etc

Both Peter Mandelson and his successor at the department of trade and industry believed it was the role of government to foster entrepreneurial culture
The second and third New Labour administrations pressed aggressively for further state down-sizing and privatisation. Blair had based his 2001 re-election campaign on the extremely unpopular PFI. The calculation was that even if the measure wasn't popular, his victory would prove that there was no realistic alternative. Though there were few major sell-offs, the government's policies on the Royal Mail and the NHS had, as their logical conclusion, the privatisation of these services. Even the fiscal crisis in the NHS, resulting from the high costs of PFI initiatives, did not dampen the ardour.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/mar/29/short-history-of-privatisation

What was the point of voting Labour hoping that they would reverse the trend?

Parliament100 Sat 16-Jul-16 20:24:33

""""gettingonabit Sat 16-Jul-16 20:11:23
I think I'm getting where the OP is coming from now. It DID start with Thatcher imho. Free market, selling off state assets, deregulation of BR etc. And the notion that there is no such thing as society..nice. Not to mention the destruction of the nationalised industries, the loss of decent jobs, yadda yadda.

And Cameron/Osborne seem to have finished off her work quite neatly. 30 odd years down the line we have workers on zero hours contracts, food banks, an ever-widening gap between the haves and have nots and yes, all nicely marketed to us folks as austerity""""""quote/unquote. You have it in one sir.............

gettingonabit Sat 16-Jul-16 20:11:23

I think I'm getting where the OP is coming from now. It DID start with Thatcher imho. Free market, selling off state assets, deregulation of BR etc. And the notion that there is no such thing as society..nice. Not to mention the destruction of the nationalised industries, the loss of decent jobs, yadda yadda.

And Cameron/Osborne seem to have finished off her work quite neatly. 30 odd years down the line we have workers on zero hours contracts, food banks, an ever-widening gap between the haves and have nots and yes, all nicely marketed to us folks as austerity.

Jalima Sat 16-Jul-16 20:07:15

I see now, I did get it wrong, sorry.

1983 Percent made perfect sense to me, as the interest rate was about 11% and the mortgage rates were very high indeed. I thought it was a saying: Winter of Discontent followed by Percent.

Oh dear, I might as well go now.

Jalima Sat 16-Jul-16 20:02:11

Well, I think that was what was meant by percent, perhaps I'm wrong.

It certainly made an impact on our household budget!

WilmaKnickersfit Sat 16-Jul-16 20:01:23

I realised it was 1983, but couldn't work out what word percent was meant to be - sorted now. As you were. wink

nigglynellie Sat 16-Jul-16 19:57:25

Well unless the Labour party pulls itself together asap, I'm afraid your doomful assessment Parliament100 will be with us for donkeys years! The country won't vote for JC and momentum that's for sure!!

Jalima Sat 16-Jul-16 19:56:57

that's the thing about GN, it sends you off down avenues you never thought to explore.

It's not just Pokemon or whatever it's called.

Jalima Sat 16-Jul-16 19:55:50

Sorry, shouldn't tease, only meant kindly flowers

BUT it was interesting to find out what happened in 1883 I must say, so thank you anniebach

WilmaKnickersfit Sat 16-Jul-16 19:55:22

Thanks AB, I didn't know you had problems.

WilmaKnickersfit Sat 16-Jul-16 19:54:12

Are we there yet, because I am confused and want to get off this bus. grin

Anniebach Sat 16-Jul-16 19:53:23

Again, apologies for hitting wrong keys, I have explained and apologised several times for a problem with my sight , 1983 ELECTION,

Jalima Sat 16-Jul-16 19:52:34

phoenix
www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/a1217385-The-main-problems-of-England-as-I-see-things

and other threads

Jalima Sat 16-Jul-16 19:49:28

what's that acronym when you cba to read it all, sorry Parliament100, if you could precis it I would have a go.

No, not a newcomer phoenix, I think I remember a poster with a similar name

Jalima Sat 16-Jul-16 19:47:34

hmm perhaps not ..... we didn't have a mortgage in those days

Karl Marx died?
Clement Attlee was born
John Maynard Keynes was born

Parliament100 Sat 16-Jul-16 19:45:57

janeainsworth, this just it dear, I dont think we all know it at all. ..

Ana Sat 16-Jul-16 19:41:39

What, in 1883? confused

Jalima Sat 16-Jul-16 19:39:44

I think it was when the interest rates went up so our mortgages took up the main part of our incomes, if we had a mortgage.

Parliament100 Sat 16-Jul-16 19:38:50

David Cameron and George Osborne are using the deficit as a cover to dismantle all the Social improvements built up by the Labour Government after WW2. It is an ideological agenda. And what’s worse it began under Margaret Thatcher’s Premiership over 30 years ago. This agenda has nothing to do with costs. This is a smokescreen!

The very fabric of the role of what the State should provide in tax payers money to welfare, services and State pensions, is being whittled away under cover of reducing the deficit....

The Tory mantra of making painful cuts to reduce the deficit is little more than a smoke screen they hide behind to implement their ideology of reducing the size of the State, driving down wages, cutting benefits ect.

My guess is that they'd make pretty much the same decisions for ideological reasons even if there wasn't a deficit.

The cynic in me says how easy it is for the right wing comfortably well off, greed infested Tory supporters to ridicule and chastise people on the receiving end of Tory cuts in welfare. And how equally easy it is for the right wing press to encourage this, just to sell their papers.

The Thatcherist, hard line, anti social policies the Tory's are forcing on us all makes them feel superior. And they perpetuate the suffering while living in their comfy homes without a conscience.

The Tory's pretend to care about the pensioners having to choose between heating, or eating, the Tory's pretend to care about the family's wondering how they are going to feed their children today and tomorrow.

The Tory's since Thatcher have been the same !

No longer a small "c" left of centre Conservative party with a good social conscience.

No, since the 80's they have been ultra right wing, hardnosed, and with no compassion but to condemn the poor to a life of misery and no hope so long as they can live in relative luxury.

This is how they want it, to keep the masses under their eternal control. The Tories only aim is power and control.

For that reason the Tories love it when the economy is bad, so bad that they blame the masses of poor for it. It is malicious and insidious.

And what makes it even more appalling is that the Tories actually do believe they are superior intellectually to everybody else.

Food banks in 21st century Britain, is as bad as the chronic homelessness we have, the awful old age poverty, and the low waged economy the Tories have nurtured throughout their 18 years of running Britain, 1979- 1997, and I might add, New Labour under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, 1997- 2010, did nothing fundamental to reverse any of it.

Britain has suffered Thatcher's ideology for over 30 years. And the pensioners and the low waged workers are being screwed.

wot Sat 16-Jul-16 19:36:44

1973

Ana Sat 16-Jul-16 19:34:40

The winter of discontent was 1978 this was followed in 1883 by Percent, Got it now?

Doesn't make sense to me. What's 'Percent'?

Jalima Sat 16-Jul-16 19:33:49

grin

Percent - I remember it well!