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The baby boomers will go down as the worst, most selfish generation in history.

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AllYoungPeople Wed 20-Jul-16 01:50:44

You stole our free education, while increasing NHS and pension spending.

You NIMBYs stopped housebuilding and left a whole generation unable to afford their own home.

Now you Brexit us, stealing what we had left for the future.

You will go down as the worst, most selfish generation in history. Destroyed the future for the young to cling on to your selfish idiocy.

Smileless2012 Fri 22-Jul-16 15:57:46

You don't have it so bad AYP. Far more of you going to university with some doing degree courses that would never have been considered worthy of a degree at one time.

Several of your generation are on the housing ladder thanks to the 'bank of mum and dad' funding your deposit. I had my free education up the the age of 18 and several years later did my BSc. degree with the OU, so paid for that myself.

I take no personal responsibility for the increase in NHS spending. As for pensions, I'll get my state pension at the appropriate time which will be later than expected. I've worked since the age of 16 and paid my N. Ins. so feel entitled to it.

If you really do feel so badly done to with regard to BREXIT, well I suggest you remonstrate with the vast number of your generation who didn't bother to vote.

trisher Fri 22-Jul-16 15:59:39

Prescription charges were introduced by a conservative government in 1952 and abolished by the Labour admin in 1965. But it's quibbling over a minor issue.
Why can't people understand this post is not about the situation of individual baby boomers but a complaint about the situation we grew up in and the situation for young people today. Of course there are poor older people and they will receive less care, but they created this system.

Smileless2012 Fri 22-Jul-16 16:15:28

Not everyone I grew up with 'had it so good'. I was fortunate in many ways and because of the way we were bought up, our son's have been fortunate too. Even though one of them now regards us as the parents from hell.

He is buying his own home because we and my brother funded the deposit and yet refuses to have anything to do with any of us.

"Now you Brexit us, stealing what we had left for the future" oh for goodness sake. You're young, you have a future so get out there and make the best of it, like we had too and many of us did.

Falconbird Fri 22-Jul-16 17:16:23

I voted for Remain and so did all my friends all 70ish years old.

I can remember Harold McMillan saying "you've never had it so good" back in the 50s.

I was about 10 at the time living on the top floor of a low rise block of council flats.

Dad couldn't work because of PTSD they called it Battle Fatique back then from WW2.

We were means tested by a nasty little bloke and we were not living a life of luxury by any means.

Mum did waitressing and charing but anything she earned was stopped out of dad's money.

I went to work at 16 to help out as many Boomers did and worked from 9.00 until 5.30 five days a week. Which meant I was out of the house from 8.00am until 6.30pm.

I could go on but there's not much point really Some of us Boomers were fortunate but many of us had a tough growing up.

petra Fri 22-Jul-16 17:59:40

Eeh Falconbird you had it good. We ad shoebox int middle of road.
No apologies for black sense of humour.

trisher Fri 22-Jul-16 20:06:52

These days you wouldn't even have a council flat Falconbird because there aren't any.

Devorgilla Fri 22-Jul-16 20:26:02

Petra, I like your style. Was it in the middle of a puddle?

Jalima Fri 22-Jul-16 21:08:21

It is about the will to do things not about how much it will cost which is the excuse always used these days.
I agree, trisher 'where there's a will there's a way' - however, the baby boomers are not really the ones in charge any more, are they, apart from one or two very elderly politicians such as Jeremy Corbyn who is only in charge - or not - of the Labour party).

ajanela How disrespectful you are to this younger person
Yes, this younger person, not all younger people. We are the parents of younger people who are just as you describe, hardworking, striving to make the best of their lives and bringing up our DGC with the help of many of us. We are in awe of our wonderful athletes. The criticism is, I think, just an indignant retaliation to the rudeness of this one OP.

However, some young people - not ours of course! - do have a sense of entitlement and a tendency to blame other people when things do not go their way because they failed to see that they have duties too, not just expectations.

ajanela Fri 22-Jul-16 21:19:08

Sun seeker and others I think you underestimate how younger people feel and how resentful they are about their situation. It is not a wind, I have heard them say this. They don't want hand outs to buy a house from seniors, they want a secure job where they can earn money to support themselves and there families. There is a lot of truth in what OP says.

And by the tone and rudeness of the replies I think it confirms what OP is saying, some baby boomers are not nice people. We must all work together however young or old we are, or how we voted. We all have to do our bit to get us through this situation

Jalima Fri 22-Jul-16 21:26:57

ajanela I don't think any job that either DH or I had was that secure over the years! Redundancies, changes to working conditions, closures etc etc have been going on for more years than I can remember. In 1979 DH was desperately job-hunting and we had to re-locate and pay two-thirds of our income on a mortgage. Five years of struggling but relative security - then closure and redundancy and re-location again. Five more years of security,then living apart for much of the next 20 years while DH moved around for work and I worked and stayed put for DC's education.

Nothing new nowadays as far as I can tell, but we just got on with it and didn't moan. Sorry, but it was not that easy - honestly.

Jalima Fri 22-Jul-16 21:40:34

Falconbird smile
DH's DF was 'missing presumed dead' and never came home. The widow's pension was a pittance.

ajanela
We must all work together however young or old we are, or how we voted.
My sentiments exactly - however, I don't think the OP would agree.

daphnedill Fri 22-Jul-16 21:47:13

@Jalima

^We must all work together however young or old we are, or how we voted.
My sentiments exactly - however, I don't think the OP would agree.^

Well, we're supposed to be the mature and wise adults. Shouldn't we be showing the lead in being role models on how to work together and understand the concerns of each age group better?

I still think this (and its almost identical thread in Chat) are wind ups or maybe even a journalist looking for source material, but there is more than a grain of truth in it.

BlueBelle Fri 22-Jul-16 21:48:39

I think you are quite wrong ajanela I ve no idea what age you are but I m considered a baby boomer and have had absolutely no hand outs or anything at all that the kids of today haven't had +more My mum worked all hours to send me to a fee paying school to have a better life than her but when I applied to go to university they put the qualifications up as it was 'baby boomer years' and too many applying so I didn't get in There were no gap years or treading water in those days so it was off to work I went After getting married having three children and then getting left with nothing I worked three or four different jobs to bring them up I was 50 before I got a proper profession I only own my own house because my Nan left it to me after living in council houses I ve never owned a car I don't understand why people think we ve had it easy Kids today have cars at 17 they expect to own a fully furnished house from the word go Do you know any deprived young people they go to pop concerts, drink, have foreign holidays, when they marry they have the house as they want it from word go no saving up for things
How can we all work together when someone has such a pre conceived judgement of a whole generation

Elegran Fri 22-Jul-16 21:51:52

What prompts the tone of these replies is a reaction to the tone that we keep hearing so much - a scapegoat is needed, because people want everything to be someone's fault. So blame falls on one section or other of the population - and the very word "babyboomers" contains within it the word "boom". What is the opposite of boom? It is bust! So by association, babyboomers must have had the boom which must have caused the bust!

When things get better in a country, no-one goes round scattering praise, but when things get worse, they blame foreigners, the old, the young, the rich, the poor, the current government, the previous government, greedy employers, lazy employees, fifth columnists, agents provocateurs, foreign spies - whoever is being vilified in the press at the time.

daphnedill Fri 22-Jul-16 21:52:39

That works both ways, BlueBelle. Yes, I do know plenty of deprived young people. It would help if older people didn't have such a preconceived and stereotypical view of young people.

daphnedill Fri 22-Jul-16 21:53:11

PS. I'm a babyboomer too - born 1955.

Elegran Fri 22-Jul-16 21:55:11

Also younger people don't know the origin of the "boom" here - that after the war there was a boom in the number of babies born (to servicemen coming home to their wives and girl-friends, to people who had put off starting a family becausw of the war, to people who took it for granted that they would have quite a large family as had been the way when some of them were not likely to survive babyhood)

Then when that generation was old enough to have their own fmilies, there was a corresponding boom in the birthrate, causing a further wave of baby boomers.

Jalima Fri 22-Jul-16 22:00:18

I still think this (and its almost identical thread in Chat) are wind ups or maybe even a journalist looking for source material, but there is more than a grain of truth in it
The thing is though dd that they only see the gloss, what has been written about those times from certain perspectives and not perhaps the perspective of people who may have lived through them and not found them as wonderful as they appear to be.

Free university education: Only a tiny percentage of young people were lucky enough to take advantage of it, probably only 5% of girls.
It was our parents who set up the NHS and free education. Yes we were the teachers and nurses but you only needed 5 "O" levels to get into a teachers training college. Now 5 GCSE's is the basic and young people, have to work for degrees and 4 A levels is a norm. No, no, you still needed 2 'A' levels to get into teacher training college, and if your parents could not afford to keep you for the two years of 6th form you left and got a job.
Anyway, teacher training did not involve a degree, it was a 2 year course awarding a Teaching Certificate.
The NHS did not offer such niceties as cosmetic surgery, gastric bands etc etc; it was in fact fairly basic; some of the treatments nowadays are wonderful but very costly (but thank goodness for them).

Plenty of jobs: yes, there were plenty of jobs, but they may be the type of jobs that some young people would turn their noses up at these days. Why the need to recruit people from the EU if there are no jobs?

Struggling to buy a house: when was it not a struggle?

However, we did have the Rolling Stones, the Beatles, etc - what have they got nowadays?

BlueBelle Fri 22-Jul-16 22:40:30

Of course there are some deprived kids Daphnedill always have been and always will be but I was trying to make a point that for the most part deprivation today isn't the same, obviously because there is a benefit system to give everyone a safety net if they need it Most kids today even those with a family on benefits think they are deprived if they don't have a good phone and don't tell me I don't know what I m talking about as I live in a so called deprived area

daphnedill Fri 22-Jul-16 22:46:13

I don't agree with you, BlueBelle, but can't be bothered to argue at the moment.

You should try looking up what families 'on benefits' actually receive and I know what I'm talking about too!

daphnedill Fri 22-Jul-16 22:49:26

@Jalima

There is plenty of evidence that people born around 2000 will be less well of on average than their parents.

Can't be bothered to find the evidence and not even sure it's worth it.

Am reading something about how difficult it is to break down prejudice.

Granny2016 Fri 22-Jul-16 23:32:34

Trisher I don,t call it quibbling when the very workers who were paying for the NHS to be established and run,could not afford dentistry....regardless of which party brought in the charges.
The NHS was established on the backs of people who had fought a war and were working to rebuild the country.It certainly was not free.

BlueBelle Sat 23-Jul-16 07:07:07

I don't need to look it up Daphnedill I live in the midst and in no way am I prejudice to benefits I have been on them once myself and thank goodness for a safety net but I am prejudice to the ways they are abused and I am very much against them when they get more than a hard worker

There is a huge chasm between those really needing help and having it pulled from them like the gov s bedroom tax and making very ill people work and those that know their way around the system and laugh their way through life doing bugger all

italiangirl Sat 23-Jul-16 07:48:37

I voted in having lived abroad my parents,paid to educate me not only was I I tax payer for 30 years,I paid all my university fees,worked and supported my family whilst improving my self .Despite voting in I felt that there's a lot wrong in Europe especially in the unelected senior roles .I now have to wait for my pension ,gone without holidays,used charity shops,gift tokens to feed clothe and keep my family healthy.I feel quite cross that it is assumed we have had it all .

trisher Sat 23-Jul-16 10:13:17

Granny2016 denists have always had a very tenuous relationship with the NHS, have always charged for some things and continue to do so. So they cannot be regarded as a true measure of the service provided by the NHS.
The NHS was free at the point of delivery for many years and the prescription charge was an example of how the Conservatives have always attempted to undermine that service.
As examples of services that used to be provided there was a district nurse service that supported those in ill health at home, there was a schools clinic service that provided help and treatment for minor injuries and made sure things like head lice, impetigo and scabies were properly treated. The support they provided for poor families was incredible. All of these services have gone and the support network that enabled many people to move out of poverty has disappeared. Does no-one else see the numbers of young people sleeping rough and think that this was something we never saw when I was young, and feel thoroughly ashamed of a society that allows this to happen?