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Brexit watch, round 2

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petra Thu 21-Jul-16 20:35:01

Jalima Some people are having difficulty understanding that the remain camp lost the vote. They failed. They lost. They came second.

whitewave Mon 25-Jul-16 18:57:19

Yes I have that feeling as well margaret

granjura Mon 25-Jul-16 19:06:41

Ditto- where I live, there are several main border posts, but dozens of smaller country roads in and out of France with no borders- there are car patrols- but you rarely get checked. And of course on foot, bike, or skis - you'd be hard pushed to know which country you are in around here.

I remember the refugees from Hungary arriving here very well. Most towns in Switzerland hosted a few families- our village had two. I rmember the children arriving at school terrified, not speaking a word of French.

To think anyone who could not or would not remember the UK is an Island, and take it into consideration, seems bizarre in the extreme.

Gracesgran Mon 25-Jul-16 19:25:58

Tegan Mon 25-Jul-16 18:20:25

... and still don't get what they think they voted for Tegan - and then there are those who will be cross because they feel they have been Brexited against their will who get crosser as the lies are proved to be just that. I do not think Brixit will add to the wealth of human fellowship I'm afraid.

Smileless2012 Mon 25-Jul-16 19:38:49

A lot of interesting and informative posts. I find the re occurring view that those of you who voted to stay in the EU knew what you were doing, and that those of us who voted to leave were mere fools taken in by the lies of the BREXIT campaign rather unpalatable.

At the beginning of the campaign, Cameron pledged to lead this country regardless of the outcome, and yet within a few hours of the result being made known, tendered his resignation.

He thought another captain would be better placed to steer this country into the new waters that lay ahead. Waters that would never have been entered had he not given every voter the right to decide whether or not we wished to remain in the EU.

I voted to leave, I don't regret my decision nor do I feel in any way compelled to explain or justify it and I wouldn't expect anyone who voted to remain to do so either.

One of the reasons there is so much uncertainty as to our future is because the man at the helm, the man who enabled this decision to be taken in the first place, jumped ship. He didn't put his job on the line when he called for the vote because he didn't expect it to go the way it did. His arrogance was so great that he never envisaged losing and when he did, he threw his toys out of the play pen and resigned.

When he resigned there were many platitudes as to why he will be remembered. I'll remember him as a PM who failed to keep his word. I don't believe that our country is a sinking ship, but for me Cameron, whether we sink or float, will always be the rat who jumped.

durhamjen Mon 25-Jul-16 19:59:32

Good one, Gracesgran, BRIXIT. That's probably what Gove, Boris and Fox are doing at the moment.

I do not think the remain side have to justify anything. Brexiteers voted for change, and are the ones who have caused mayhem throughout the EU, not us, Smileless. We are just sitting feeling powerless, and watching in bemusement.

Jalima Mon 25-Jul-16 20:20:02

There are several roads between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland too.

I suppose that will put paid to any ideas of bridges or tunnels between the UK mainland and Ireland.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23672538

Smileless2012 Mon 25-Jul-16 20:25:03

I agree durhamjen and said I don't expect the remain side to justify the democratic decision they took. I don't see why anyone should feel any more powerless now the decision to leave the EU has been taken, than they felt before.

I'm also watching in bemusement as some seem to delight in the problems we are currently experiencing because they can blame all of those who voted to leave. This is not the time to create division, it is a time for unity. If any EU members are watching with amusement and self satisfaction at what is happening in the UK, no doubt it is the arguing among ourselves that is giving them the most pleasure.

Gracesgran Mon 25-Jul-16 20:29:14

Oh deargringringrinyou shouldn't laugh at yourself should yougringringrin. Freudian slip comes to mind Jen

whitewave Mon 25-Jul-16 20:38:52

smile I'm a remainer, but am watching the problems and potential problems with exasperation and fury in some cases. Not at those who voted but at the elite who lied and who haven't the first clue however much they bluff and bluster. I am under no illusion that if a plan was in place they would be shouting it from the rooftops. The Brexiters are simply not up to it.

History will undoubtedly show the truth of it all.

Tegan Mon 25-Jul-16 21:06:25

Cameron wasn't expecting a brexit result so he had no 'plan'. The Leave lot didn't expect to win so they had no 'plan' either. Johnson, who didn't have a plan jumped ship as well. I don't see how Cameron can be blamed for the mess we're in now because he scarpered, but he can be blamed for calling the stupid referendum in the first place. If we were going to have one everyone should have been given a long term plan as to the effects of leaving the EU and an exit 'plan' should have been drawn up BEFORE the referendum. At this moment in time they're only starting to work out 'the plan' and most of the MP's are on holiday. We must be the laughing stock of the world. Even the MRLP would have organised things better than these numpties#youcouldn'tmakeitupcouldyou

durhamjen Mon 25-Jul-16 21:20:18

Sorry, Smilless, but I expect those who voted to leave to accept responsibility for the mess we are in. Of course the remainers can blame the brexiteers for dropping us in this mess.
That is no doubt why May has made the appointments she has. I can see no other reason for her giving Boris the job of foreign secretary other than to make him accept responsibility for what he has done.
She has the power to do so. The rest of us have to just watch from the sidelines and apologise to our EU friends.

Granny2016 Mon 25-Jul-16 21:33:34

durhamjen....either to make him face up to his responsibility,or to watch him fail so that she can push him out and end his career !

Smileless2012 Mon 25-Jul-16 21:35:35

Why durhamjen? I'm not responsible for the fact proper plans hadn't been put in place by either side in readiness for the result, whatever that result may have been.

I agree with Tegan apart from not blaming Cameron for scarpering, he called for the referendum and then spat his dummy out when the vote didn't go his way.

durhamjen Mon 25-Jul-16 21:45:08

Cameron did not need plans for Brexit. The Brixiters did.

You ARE responsible for us leaving the EU, along with others who voted for it. If you hadn't voted that way, we would still be in a preferential position compared to all other EU countries, with all our special deals.
yOU CANNOT JUST WASH YOUR HANDS OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF YOUR VOTE.

MargaretX Mon 25-Jul-16 21:47:58

smileless That made me laugh! thx

whitewave Tue 26-Jul-16 07:19:36

Banks are set to begin to charge first ever negative interest rates.
Natwest has ad used its business customers of its intention.

Anya Tue 26-Jul-16 07:30:28

smileless you has me chuckling too!!

Anya Tue 26-Jul-16 07:31:42

You mean they are going to pay us to borrow from them WW? confused

Anya Tue 26-Jul-16 07:32:31

That's great news fir small businesses grin

whitewave Tue 26-Jul-16 07:36:10

I see that the CBI has polled its members. The result shows that they are cutting investment and beginning to shed jobs.

If May has any sense she won't allow this to get out of hand. She must steady the ship by assuring companies of a Brexit lite.

Anya Tue 26-Jul-16 07:38:44

I expect DJ would provide a blue like to those stats you mention for us WW smile

whitewave Tue 26-Jul-16 07:39:02

No anya it means that the banks will charge businesses for money they deposit - so if they have 1000 deposited next year they may only have 999. The mattress looks attractive!

Anya Tue 26-Jul-16 07:44:29

Is this a maybe or a definite?

whitewave Tue 26-Jul-16 07:45:25

Ryanair to cut flights from Stanstead and seek to extend its services in EU owing Brexit.

Anya Tue 26-Jul-16 07:51:06

www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/18/negative-interest-rates-what-you-need-to-know

I didn't realise how common this is already across some EU countries, the Eurozone and some non-EU counties. Thanks for making me read up on it WW it's something I'd never really looked into before.

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