Brexit watch, round 2

LOL Well, that's true, I suppose.

Well to be fair, and nit-picking again as is my wont, 'let's fund our NHS instead' needn't necessarily mean by the whole of the £350 million a week.

There wasn't enough space to put what else would have to be paid for out of that sum...

I'm trying to work out how 'Let's fund our NHS instead' translates into 'ours to decide what to do with if we left the EU'? Which version of Babel fish are you using, quizqueen?

I don't have much respect for the uninformed either, quizqueen.

I suggest you do some research about what democracy is really all about. It isn't just about which 'side' has more people putting crosses in boxes.

I also suggest that you read this thread carefully, because it's not about moaning. The latest posts have been discussing the very real difficulties the UK government faces.

PS. What's wrong with calling a country a state?

I assume you would class me as a scrounger then Quizqueen, as I am getting Invalidity benefit in an EU country.
I hope the UK will be as kind to me as this country has been since the beginning of my health problems.

Whitewave.. The spin from the Remainers was that Brexit would cause World War 3 or a World financial crash. The VOTE LEAVE Campaign did indeed have that headline banner about £350 million on their bus, I agree, the other campaign group LEAVE EU did not. Instead of just watching BBC bias when there are serious matters to vote on affecting this country, I suggest people do their own research, go to meetings etc. and hear both sides of the argument.

If people are happy to be uninformed and just take things at face value I have no respect for them and certainly don't want to listen to any of their moaning when results are not the ones they favour. The Welsh Devolution Assembly was set up after a 0.6% voting difference on a barely 50% turn out. One side gets what they want and the other doesn't. That's what democracy is all about.

Many of these arguments have been rehearsed quiz

Why are these countries not states?

Ex-pats? Of course they are living in the EU under different arrangements than no-EU. This naturally has to be looked at and decisions made. We of course benefit greatly from EU nationals in this country. To a very large extent ex-pats are generally retired.

daphnedill- you talk about EU funding as if the EU has magic money of its own. The money was ours in the first place and when we leave the EU finally we can decide where best to spend it! There is no EU funding anything, only a pot of money containing fees paid in by other EU States to belong to a Custom's Union which has a free trade arrangement between its members and which uses it to fund other expenses like the EU Parliament and to determine laws and regulations set by them; some to our advantage but many which do not.

The UK is the second highest contributor to the EU budget so other smaller less wealthy countries see it as getting something for nothing so they are generally happier. All these countries (not states as the EU sees fit to call them)really need to do is be friendly to each other and cut out the middle man and have free trade agreements of their own making with no fees.

It's also interesting to note that ex pat British people who live in non EU countries aren't being threatened by being expelled back to the UK so why should those living in the EU. If people are self financing and law abiding citizens then they are an asset to a country no matter where they come from. If they are scroungers or criminals then why would they be welcome anywhere?

Um! That is certainly not how it was sold quizqueen The spin was definitely that there would be £350m for NHS. Of course everyone with half a brain questioned it at the time but the leave lot kept pursuing that particular lie.

To Granjura. I think you'll find the LEAVE CAMPAIAGN never said £350 million would go to the NHS but that the extra money saved from the fees of not being in the EU would be ours to decide what to do with if we left the EU. So if the government wanted to give it to the NHS then that would be their decision!

No, Ana, nobody bpothered about human rights. But when the government put in the word BRITISH, it was different. British bill of rights as opposed to the Human Rights Act - definitely bought into that one.
Maybe not you or obie, but others did. Anything with the word BRITISH - USP.

The terms of the UK's leaving the EU will be dictated mainly by the other 27 countries. However, the UK still needs to know where it's heading, what the consequences are likely to be and how to plan for them.

It's no good sitting around in three years saying that nobody realised that the UK is going to have to find money to finance all the people who will lose EU funding and wondering what to do with two million returned ex-pats, if some kind of agreement isn't found.

Everybody is going to be making their case for protected funding and some of that will affect all of us. Whether or not we make any difference, we still have a right to talk about it. Thank goodness we don't live in North Korea.

Is that one of the reasons people voted to leave the EU? To have more and better human rights? I don't remember that being a key point.

At this point in time, all the talk on here will make no difference whatsoever as regards Brexit, Human Rights etc. I shall just wait and see.

You can read the paper that daphne put a link to earlier, Ana, if you want.
I said we get out of the EU to have more and better human rights, i.e., universal ones and not just EU ones.
Don't you want more and better human rights?

Education - I meant compared to some of the useless degrees held by some of the cabinet. Like classics.

Who said 'we get out of the EU to have more and better human rights'? I know there has been a lot of talk about the possibility of a British bill of rights - that's hardly news.

Just been reading about Human Rights in the paper that daphne put on.
It says in that that the Human Rights Act is unlikely to be repealed as, although there are flaws, there is a consensus that Human Rights need to be global.
So we get out of the EU to have more and better human rights, but they still might want a British bill of rights instead of the human rights act.
EH?

Didn't you have a good education, whitewave?

Because they are paid copious amounts of money to get it right, and have the benefit of a good education! If they haven't got any ideas then we are stuffed. I suppose we can try and attract people from the EU to give a hand, how ironic!!!

See the EU is tackling Apple - shows how the global economy needs a global/regional reaction to try to control rampant capitalism. Hey ho -we will soon just be little old us! International companies will make mincemeat of us, unless we try to become some sort of tax haven in which case it will be hard for us to a achieve sensible trade deals.

That's okay, whitewave, a good disagreement or two is good for Brexit.
Nobody on here can agree what it means, so why should whitehall mandarins be able to?

The three Brexiteers won't come up with much as they've spent the summer bickering rather than doing a good days work. Thank goodness for the civil service as at least they will have some ideas, although I can imagine the various departments will be manoeuvring for position and won't all agree a common ground.

Same here, Welshwife. But they have to be seen to be doing something! Even if it's just using a flipchart.

I've read all the stuff about EU citizenship. Very confusing. We might or might not be able to keep our EU citizenship, as might all the other EU members. So that's okay, then. Really helps my EU nationals living here, and you expats, of course.

I thought that the EU rules are that once the Article 50 has been triggered it is the other 27 countries which decide the terms etc on which the UK will leave the EU and the UK will have no say. This meeting is likely to be all smoke and mirrors and come to nothing - the UK will be told what it has to do. The whole thing has been baffling to me ever since the vote.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall!

Anybody who has ever been a member of a parish council will probably know how long it takes to discuss where to site a dog poo bin or new village sign.

Goodness knows how long it will take to sort out the issues in the briefing paper.