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Brexit watch, round 2

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petra Thu 21-Jul-16 20:35:01

Jalima Some people are having difficulty understanding that the remain camp lost the vote. They failed. They lost. They came second.

Washerwoman Thu 04-Aug-16 20:46:33

Don't like the Sun paper myself.Tbh have never fully read it but DD that's as bigoted a comment as I've ever heard.Hypocritical or what.

Smileless2012 Thu 04-Aug-16 20:37:30

I do know someone who buys the Sun, and they voted to remain. I wouldn't want to kick them out; really nice person just has a bad taste in newspapers.

daphnedill Thu 04-Aug-16 20:18:16

Shame the UK can't kick out Sun readers! but who would have them? hmm

varian Thu 04-Aug-16 20:13:18

Unfortunately, dj, millions of people do.

durhamjen Thu 04-Aug-16 10:45:52

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/08/astonishing-the-sun-wants-to-boot-out-3-million-eu-migrants-settled-in-the-uk-before-brexit/

According to the Sun, people voted Brexit so we can kick out 3 million Eu citizens who live here.
Fortunately I do not know anyone who buys the Sun.

daphnedill Thu 04-Aug-16 10:33:55

[clap] [clap] emoticon, Tegan. Great post!

It's going to take years even to work out what people think BREXIT means. hmm

daphnedill Thu 04-Aug-16 10:32:13

So learn another language! Easy peasy!

Not sure how you think we can only move forward with positivity. Gritting your teeth and sticking your head in the sand isn't positive, in my opinion.

whitewave Thu 04-Aug-16 10:27:59

Still watching the economy going pear shaped

durhamjen Thu 04-Aug-16 10:26:36

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/08/european-have-become-more-in-favour-of-staying-in-the-eu-after-brexit-not-less/

Brexit has done some good - for the rest of the EU.

NfkDumpling Tue 02-Aug-16 21:38:44

I think a lot of people like me voted Brexit because we felt that what had been a good thing (The Common Market) is morphing out of control into goodness knows what. It's grown too big, cumbersome and unwieldy. Too many cultures and too many languages and too many interests. I think we were in a no win situation. Damned if we stay, damned if we don't.
As with any life changing decision - leaving a partner or changing a job - there's no way of knowing whether the decision is right or wrong, just a different direction. We can only move forward with positivity.

Tegan Tue 02-Aug-16 17:03:52

The people behind the brexit advertising just used marketing techniques to persuade people that it was something they hadn't got and must have ie 'control'. Those people then adapted that 'control' to whatever they felt aggrieved about. Then the people responsible for the 'selling' of brexit said they were not responsible for what happened once they'd 'sold' the product; that was down to the government [who hadn't wanted brexit]. Many people looked into it more carefully; many of them decided that brexit was a good idea, and I have to respect their view. However, I've very little sympathy for those who have now realised that they've bought into a product that, for them, doesn't work and it's not under guarantee so they can't get their money/vote back.

yggdrasil Tue 02-Aug-16 13:36:59

Cornwall voted Leave. And now it has found just what it will lose. It can't rely on this government to make up all the subsidies and grants from the EU. So much so they have decided to keep their Brussels office.
I still find it difficult to understand why so many people took no notice of the warnings of the economic difficulties ahead.
And the areas that said it was because of immigration were mostly those with very little.

MaizieD Tue 02-Aug-16 12:11:32

Change the subject slightly. This looks as though it could be interesting:

The 23 June 2016 Brexit vote saw British voters reject membership in the European Union. This column introduces a new VoxEU eBook that presents 19 essays written by leading economists on a wide array of topics and from a broad range of perspectives.

Brexit Beckons: Thinking ahead by leading economists

www.voxeu.org/article/new-ebook-brexit-beckons

nigglynellie Tue 02-Aug-16 10:57:40

I've a feeling that his grammar was up to speed too!!

durhamjen Tue 02-Aug-16 10:02:19

I don't think they actually had job centres in his era.
He could spell centre, too, I bet.

Gononsuch Tue 02-Aug-16 09:58:24

You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream

C.S.Lewis never went to our job centers. sad

daphnedill Tue 02-Aug-16 09:44:57

No problem wink

My sister has lived in Norfolk for years. When she was made redundant, she was told that she'd find it difficult to find work locally on anything like the money she was earning. The woman at the Jobcentre told her she was too old to pick potatoes! shock

NfkDumpling Tue 02-Aug-16 09:35:22

Thanks daphne. Wrong again! Actually, now you've pointed it out , it is the older folk who're sitting around on the benches in town. I just thought it was because Norfolk has fewer youngsters.

daphnedill Mon 01-Aug-16 23:52:22

That's not quite true, NfkDumpling. It's the over 50s in Norfolk who can't find work. The overall unemployment rate in Norfolk is low by national standards anyway.

^More young people are off Job Seeker’s Allowance than any other age group in Norfolk, figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) have revealed.

While fewer young people than ever claimed jobs benefit last month - seeing a dramatic 43pc drop in signing on compared to a year ago - older people in Norfolk have struggled to match the national rise in levels of employment.

In Norfolk, out of 7,650 people claiming Job Seekers Allowance (JSA), just 1,915 of those were 18 to 24-year-olds unable to get work between March and April 2015.

This is down from the 3,360 young people in Norfolk who claimed JSA out of the total 12,545 claimants in April 2014 - bucking the national trend which shows that youth unemployment is still the major issue.

However, only 60pc of people aged 50 or over in Norfolk came off job benefits within 13 weeks, compared to younger age groups where on average of 70pc were able to sign off over the same period.

Paul Gisbey, operations leader at Job Centre Plus based in Ipswich, said more jobs were coming up in sectors requiring the kind of flexibility that young people are were well-positioned for.

“The retail and hospitality sectors are seeing more jobs, and young people often have flexible approaches that are suited to these industries,” said Mr Gisbey. “There are also more jobs in the construction sector - in fact we’re seeing a shortage of applicants here so we will expect even more jobs to come in.”

Yet whilst Norfolk’s young people are beating the region’s overall drop in JSA claims since last year, older people are remaining unemployed for longer - which is the most worrying indicator for good job prospects, Mr Gibsey said.

Once people are unemployed for a year or more, their job prospects become increasingly bleak as their physical and mental health suffer and employers become less willing to take them on, he said.

“For older workers the statistics are not so good, and we’re trying to find out exactly what the barriers are,” he said. “Many older people are coming out of long-term unemployment, and often do not have the IT skills needed for many jobs.”

Meanwhile, across the UK, the economy saw the largest annual fall in long-term unemployment for 17 years, the report from the ONS said.

The government attributed the strong national employment figures to their Work Programme, which emphasises a move from welfare to employment, and the “Day One Work” requirements on young people to do work experience or volunteering to receive benefits.

But almost nine million people were still classed as economically inactive, including students, those looking after a family, those on long-term sick leave or those who had become long-term unemployed, according to the ONS.

Chancellor George Osborne said: “With full-time employees making up nearly all of the increase in employment over the past year, this shows we are on the way to our goal of full employment.”

Elsewhere, the national figures also showed one of the highest recorded rates of employment among women at 68pc - though this was still less than employment rates among men of 78pc.

Yet in Norfolk young women disproportionately were less likely to claim jobs benefits than young men, with only 32.9pc of JSA claimants aged 18 to 24 being female, and the other two-thirds of claimants all young men.

The sectors that had the most job vacancies in the region was the care industry and the construction sector, both of which were crying out for more skilled applicants - making training programmes a key part of any long-term solution.^

www.edp24.co.uk/business/generational_divide_revealed_in_unemployment_figures_for_norfolk_1_4073088

durhamjen Mon 01-Aug-16 23:25:27

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/08/another-survey-today-shows-uk-manufacturing-took-a-huge-tumble-after-brexit-vote/

durhamjen Mon 01-Aug-16 23:06:28

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/08/leading-brexiteers-could-keep-millions-in-farm-subsidies-under-tory-pledge-instead-of-nhs/

Granny2016 Mon 01-Aug-16 10:57:01

I have read that the workers are supplied directly through agencies in Eastern Europe and are never advertised locally.My mother and many women worked for a farmer,picking peas,potatoes,and beet which was quite hard.She loved it,exercise,outdoors,chit-chat and wages.
In the summer all of the children used to go too with packed lunches,I loved it.
My work is indoors and I don,t drive,but if there was chance locally,I would love it again.
I would much rather be in my garden than the house.

NfkDumpling Mon 01-Aug-16 09:59:46

In the early 60s I used to go fruit, bean and spud picking in the holidays and the other workers were women, some blokes between jobs and us kids. All locals. By the late 60s getting a job around here was easy and people got picky. Why work picking spuds in the rain when there was a nice filing job giving school hours because they were desperate for staff? So the word got out that locals turn their noses up at picking work. Then benefits improved to such an extent that it still paid not to do it. Times change. Now local kids sit on street corners bemoaning that there are no jobs. That East Europeans have taken them all. Perhaps they haven't been given the opportunity to apply for them. Perhaps it's time they did.

petra Sun 31-Jul-16 20:14:15

daphnidill There lies the problem. Over a very short period of time a lot of people with a very different culture are living with a community who find 'their' ways very difficult to accept.
It has been proved that slow integration works. But this way doesn't, it's too many, too quick.

Washerwoman Sun 31-Jul-16 16:13:36

Yes you are right.But I think those results surprised some people.But the gist of what I meant was there's so many reasons why some people areas /people voted Leave /Remain is impossible to second guess or even attribute one specific reason.

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