Brexit watch, round 2

Well before we had EU safety regulations we had the British Kite mark to denote safety Margaret; we managed perfectly well before being taken over by the EU, I'm sure we'll do perfectly well without them in the future.

We weren't taken over by the EU - unless you're paranoid!

We still have the kitemark. Unfortunately it has never been a legal requirement whereas the CE mark is for any company that wants to sell in the EU.
If any company uses the kitemark and the product has not been tested or registered, the company is breaking the law.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, Ana as are all of the 37% of the electorate who voted for Brexit (without any idea of what that would actually mean) but the 63% of us who did not vote for Brexit are also entitled to have our say.

I don't think the proportion of that 63% who didn't bother to vote are entitled to have any say at all!

And no one is stopping Remain voters from giving their opinions, as evidenced by this thread.

Varian

Explain to me again how 37% voted for Brexit and 67% voted Remain.

Varian didn't say 63% voted against Brexit. What was said was that 37% of the electorate voted for Brexit. However, logically, since the referendum was to change the status quo, then it can be argued that those who did not vote were expressing a tacit agreement for the situation as it was rather than supporting a change.

Only 72.2% of the population actually voted.

51.9% voted Leave

48.1% voted Remain

No, it can't be assumed that the non-voters were giving tacit agreement to the status quo, Badenkate.

They just didn't feel strongly enough one way or the other to get out there and vote!

The argument still remains Ana. It's logical to assume that the 27.8% who didn't vote were not for Brexit, but were satisfied with the situation as it was, otherwise they would have voted to change it.

And didnt feel they knew enough. And didnt care. And didnt understand it enough. And just couldnt be bothered. And. And.. Were confused. And.

I dont agree at all Badenkate. See my list above.

I don't agree. You may as well say that all those who don't vote in a general election are happy with the government in power at the time, so those missing votes should be added to that party's share!

Ludicrous...

Look. Lets face it. BREXIT happened. There is no going back. Deal with the present and the future.
In 10 years time, we will still be in BREXIT.
Which is esentially what petra said in her op of 21 July 2016. 6 weeks ago!

But now you are saying that their opinion doesn't count as much as those who voted.

Can I ask a question? All the regulars on this thread who voted REMAIN, do you deal with things in your life that you dont like, in the way you are dealing with and speaking about the BREXIT vote, on here?

If people feel strongly enough that they want a change then they will do something about it. If they are 'not that bothered' then they will take the line of least action. The least we can assume is that they 'weren't that bothered' about leaving the EU. I'm not arguing about the result of the referendum; what I'm arguing against is the suspect analysis of percentages.

Me too - especially varian's.

Glad you agree Ana

Badenkate

' If people feel strongly enough that they want a change then they will do something about it. If they are 'not that bothered' then they will take the line of least action'.

So going on that principle if say 60% of the voting population vote in the next UK General Election and 40% don't that is because they are Conservative voters happy with the government.

That is totally inplausible.

No, that's not what I said. What I said was that if people are unhappy with a situation then they will do something about it. If they don't then a valid assumption is that they are at least accepting of the status quo and see no advantage in changing it.

It is possible that the non voters didn't /don't have a preference either way
And were prepared to go along with either outcome.

Yes, which is what I said.

Unless Badenkate knows for a fact that every single person who didn't vote in the EU referendum wanted things to stay as they were, which is why they couldn't be bothered to vote either way, the claim is a nonsense.

If I have a problem in my life I face it head on and deal with it. I don't know what brexit is; in fact no one knows what brexit is. It seems to be a lot of different things to different people. Even the PM doesn't seem to know what brexit is or even when it's going to happen. So, what the hell am I supposed to do?

Badenkate is merely reiterating the fact that only 37%of the electorate voted for Brexit.

It is absurd that such damage shouod be done to our country, our economy and our grandchildren's future because of this vote. These people were lied to, and sadly many of them believed the lies.

To leave the EU on such a minority vote is outrageous. You could not change the constitution of oyr local gardening society on a minority vote. David Cameron is responsible for not laying down proper parameters for this fiasco.