Brexit watch, round 2

No gran we were already in the EU. The referendum ratified it. But I certainly think he has a point when he talks about simple Yes/no to complex questions. That makes absolute sense to me.

The Brexiters are not in my opinion up to the job. They don't seem to have the first clue, which is why I suspect Brexit lite might be an attractive option.

Good for you gang

I am becoming more convinced that at the most it's going to be Brexit lite. I don't think the Brexiteers are up to it, and will settle for an easier option.

Whitewave...Re the Canadian ambassador and the destructive aftermath of a Yes/No referendum.

Wasn,t it a Yes/No referendum that took us into the Common Market?
I can,t say EU as we were not gifted with a choice,but those who did vote 'Yes' believed they were voting for a trading agreement only.

You are correct though that Davis had no idea what he was going to do.
Unlike Wilson,Heath and Gordon Brown who denied us the referendum on the Lisbon Treaty,they knew perfectly well what they were going to do.

I can't believe the bitchiness and immaturity on here. I certainly wouldn't be drawn into this dire thread!!

Re comments about border controls, just what did Brexiteers expect? Did you really expect that 'foreigners' would have to go through stringent checks at our borders while we, the blessed Brits stroll in and out of Europe as we used to? I am still, one month on, angry at this result, I can see no benefit whatsoever, now or in the future. My business is down, my DH business has significantly less new enquires, my DiL has been told that the funding for her Doctorate has been cut, my DD is planning on moving to Germany whn she qualifies, I cannot (probably) buy a house abroad for retirement as we planned, the government is committed to spending squillions on extricating us from this self inflicted debacle, and we will never, ever, ever, be given the opportunity to have a referendum again as we obviously cannot be trusted, and the number of voters who were taken in by liars like Johnson and his Coven is terrifying. So remind me again, just why I should grin and bear it? I am not talking down the economy, I am being realistic and honest and telling how it affects me and mine, and I find simplistic and patronising 'calm down dear' type comments from some extremely rude. I keep hoping that there will be some way of reversing this disastrous decision, maybe after Johnson, Davis and Fox have made us the laughing stock of the rest of the world, maybe then someone will step up and point out that the whole thing is invalid as it was based upon lies.

If Brexit doesnt mean Brexit, the Tories would pay in votes, big time.

That was to ana

I wondered who would say that!!!

That emergency break cost Cameron and Osborne their jobs.
I wonder what they think now.

That's a bit perverse!

Yes saw that granny I am beginning to wonder if Brexit will ever come about. Bloody annoying if it doesn't after all the cost both financially, emotionally and division it has caused.

There are other UK ports which do not suffer such problems ,but passages from Calais are often the cheapest,therefore popular.
Hauliers use Dover to Calais as it is cost effective,even though they could save their drivers threats and intimidation from the Calais camps if they took a slightly different route.
How may people have crawled to a halt along roads in the UK on a sunny bank holiday?
Without a doubt the lack of French staff has been bloody unhelpful,but let,s not blame 'The French'.

For those angry Remainers,you might be slightly uplifted by todays Guardian,regarding EU heads considering a 7 years emergency break on immigration for the UK while allowing us to trade within the single market.

See the former Canadian ambassador to the EU damned Cameron in a criticism in which he stated.

"Referendums are the nuclear weapons of democracy. In parliamentary system they are redundant. Seeking a simplistic binary yes/no answer to complex questions, they succumb to emotion and run amok. Their destructive aftermath lasts for generations"

Keegan writing also in Observer

"Well now Davis (with whom he is friendly) and his fellow Brexiteers are in the hot seats. But it is already obvious that they had no plan and they are struggling to dream one up. They are hopelessly confused about trade and the real meaning of trade negotiations. ..... It is truly amazing that the Brexit camp were happy to mislead an embarrassingly I'll-informed British public into voting for something they had no idea how to handle."

Their parents are responsible for that, not me, roses. And no, I wouldn't dream of segregating along black/white lines.
Personally, I never took my children away the first weekend of the summer holidays. It was always mayhem.

You do take the crown for rudeness Durhamjen,and to be quite candid,your last post puts you in a pretty bad light.

Nothing is wrong with strict border controls,and no I am not talking immigrants.
While we have been in the EU,I have had times going into Italy when customs have been strict,once with a partner having to unwrap a freshly repaired camera so that the officer could unscrew and examine the lenses.
My partner was an incredibly well educated man in a caring profession but with a very individual look,Italian Jew with pony tail and earrings.We were highly offended but also understood why we were singled out for inspection.
I have never believed open borders across Europe to be wise.

The French have got enough problems with evil wretches in their midst...holiday traffic is a prime opportunity for others to sneak through.

Extra security by all is great, but there have to be enough staff on duty.

Mamie the French police allowed a huge lorry through,without actually checking inside. Not good enough.

Djen your post stated....'I know this may sound vindictive'
Yes, it did indeed.Not only that, but spiteful and childish as you went on to say' I have sympathy for the Remainers( in the queues)', what about the children then, do 'Brexit children' not count, this is all sounding akin to segregation, Brexit/black and Remain/ white.

Really roses? Have you driven on the Calais autoroute over the last few years and seen the huge numbers of CRS based there? You really think they are doing nothing?
DJ there are already border controls in place. Passports checked into the computer system both sides, sniffer dogs in car parks, cars unpacked and checked.
It has clearly gone wrong in Dover this weekend, but to say that nothing is being done is ridiculous.
By the way does anyone have an original source for the "not checking the ice cream lorry" story. The only French source I can find quotes it as a story from the English papers.

Why would a terrorist leave the uk to inflict death and mayhem in France. Probably because they have less chance of getting caught there.
And the French people know this. Why do you think they bood the French priminister in Nice.

Extra security can only be a good thing! As has been said, we live in difficult/dangerous times so it was inevitable that border controls were going to have to be more thorough both now and in the future brexit or no brexit!

Thanks, whitewave. I am pleased somebody understands. This is what Brexiteers voted for, more border controls.
This is what we will all get, young, old, black, white, Brits, foreigners, at ports, airports, ferry terminals, wherever someone comes in or leaves this island country. The extra security is what was voted for.

The French police , having failed in their security measures so far, are just trying to up the ante, a flexing of muscle to show they are actually doing something .If it continues in such an unstaffed way, all they will accomplish is a big drop in tourism.Good, holiday makers can then flock to our own beaches and spend money.

To be fair I am sure that dj knows the delays aren't down to Brexit. But what she is saying is that this is what border controls look like, and what may happen once Brexit takes affect.

To attribute the delays to Brexit( French annoyance with us) is so ridiculous it is laughable! Some people on here are naive beyond belief if they really think that.... And yes Djen what does it say about you and your enjoyment of it, when there are elderly and young children caught up in the heat, and general distress ( vindictive, certainly.)