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More armed police - do you feel safer ?

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GandTea Wed 03-Aug-16 08:25:12

I was announced this morning that there will be more armed police on the streets of London to combat the security risks. The police spokesman said it would reassure the public.

Do you feel reassured, more comfortable etc. ?

On a recent trip to London, I was shocked by the number of armed police around, in fact every police officer appeared to be armed, either with an automatic weapon or a sidearm.

I would not feel able to approach a police officer with a firearm just to ask a question, far too intimidating.

Rosina Wed 03-Aug-16 11:52:25

It would also be fair to say that our excellent and cohesive anti terror organisations have saved us all from much evil over the past years. I heard last week that our success is due to the fact that MI5, MI6, GCHQ, the Government and Police work together; this has been policy since 7/7. Evidently in France (and PLEASE do not take this as a criticism - it isn't) the agencies are not quite so connected, although the opinion is that they will now have to be, as we have had to become. The chilling thought that I am sure we all have is that our protectors have to be lucky/informed constantly - a terrorist has to be lucky only once.

Barmyoldbat Wed 03-Aug-16 12:10:45

So London is "safe" and the rest of us taxpayers......

Lillie Wed 03-Aug-16 12:12:39

You're right, Rosina, our intelligence is second to none, but I think it goes back even further than 7/7 to days of the IRA.

The reason London needs to be more heavily protected than other UK towns is not only because it has more potential locations for attacks, (tube, airports, theatres, restaurants etc.), but because the city has seen far more people from London than any other town being radicalised and heading for Syria. They usually return to the places they know to commit these atrocities.

Cosafina Wed 03-Aug-16 12:18:20

I live in London, and having armed police makes me feel less safe rather than more.

I'm not keen on the gradual Americanisation of Britain sad

Diddy1 Wed 03-Aug-16 12:31:50

I too think it makes people both secure and frightened. When there is a security alert, and far more armed police around, then it is really frightening, the police/army are there for a reason, and doing a good job.

Nonnie Wed 03-Aug-16 12:51:34

Lillie the IRA didn't just attack in London, what about the Birmingham pub bombings? If I were a terrorist I would only be looking for one target so I don't think the number in any city is particularly relevant. They will be just looking for one where they can do the amount of harm they want.

michellehargreaves Wed 03-Aug-16 12:53:03

However, if a terrorist attack were to be launched, in London or elsewhere, I would want the police to be able to bring down an attacker as speedily as possible. And I'm afraid a truncheon wouldn't do it.

daphnedill Wed 03-Aug-16 13:00:38

I wonder if the 'protection' for London has anything to do with tourism hmm

Agree with you, Nonnie, about the IRA. Part of central Manchester was destroyed.

Greyduster Wed 03-Aug-16 13:08:54

Warrington.

Lillie Wed 03-Aug-16 13:15:36

Please read, I wasn't referring to London over any other city in my paragraph about the IRA. I was talking about overall intelligence in response to Rosina's comment.

Swanny Wed 03-Aug-16 13:19:27

@Nonnie Where has London suddenly got all these extra police from?

I don't think they've recruited extra police, just put more of them through firearms training.

IMO We should ALL be alert to terrorism wherever we live in today's world, and not rely on someone else to do it for us, whether they be police, armed forces or neighbourhood watch.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 03-Aug-16 13:24:08

Extra armed police will definitely make me feel safer in London. Bring it on!

MaizieD Wed 03-Aug-16 13:35:17

if a terrorist attack were to be launched, in London or elsewhere, I would want the police to be able to bring down an attacker as speedily as possible.

But they could only do that if they happened to be where the terrorist was attacking. There's no guarantee that they would be. If they had had prior intelligence of a planned attack they would have time to deploy the specialist armed police thay already have. Don't see any reason why all police need to be armed 'just in case'.

It would be good to hear the opinions of Gnetters who live in countries where all police are armed, though.

Libmoggy Wed 03-Aug-16 13:43:25

I think it's very sad. Policing by consent and unarmed police made us a civilised society

Parsleywin Wed 03-Aug-16 13:57:35

Who does the armed police officer shoot after a suicide bomber does their worst? I think, sadly, that guns are mostly only an illusion of safety.

petra Wed 03-Aug-16 14:12:50

I've lived in 2 countries where the police are armed. Didn't think anything of it.
We were alarmed one day when we set the burglar alarm off and the next thing I knew they were in the house with automatics at the ready.

Sheilasue Wed 03-Aug-16 15:52:45

Would like to point out the sad situation we watched on our screens 2years ago when Lee Rigby was so cruelly killed. The police were there fairly quick I believe and that is why we are in this situation. This could happen again we know a young military man was out jogging and nearly kidnapped. So unfortunately we are at war with Isis and we need the police on our streets, I for one am pleased to see them. I have a daughter who works in London. It can b very stressful for my husband and i we do worry but won't let her know that.

GandTea Wed 03-Aug-16 16:04:01

I noticed an odd wording to a statement earlier today. The police spokesman said that they would not be arming everyone only 10% of their workforce.

Workforce, not officers. I'm sure that was not a slip of the tongue.
Their workforce would include all the civilian staff, cleaners, mechanics, ete etc. So that could in fact be a significant percentage of the officers on the street.

sylviann Wed 03-Aug-16 16:06:40

I've not been to London is years but I think I would feel safer with armed officer on the streets I lived in Germany for several year and all the police wore sidearms .Hopefully it will make trouble makers think twice

GandTea Wed 03-Aug-16 16:13:25

Someone mentioned truncheons. A friend I fish with was a beat cop and his finest hour was chasing a criminal and failing to catch up, threw his truncheon and scored a perfect hit, flooring the villan from 20 yards.

Nonnie Wed 03-Aug-16 16:21:11

Swanny on the radio today they talked about the difficulty of 'recruiting' enough extra qualified police.

Iam64 Wed 03-Aug-16 17:20:50

I'm sure I heard on the radio that the extra 600 armed officers are not additional recruits. The police have trained more armed police, from their existing force. Teresa May reduced our police force when she was Home Secretary as part of austerity. I'd be happy to see a bigger police force. Like other posters, I would prefer not to have armed police but a police officer with a baton couldn't have saved Lee Rigby.

MaizieD Wed 03-Aug-16 17:22:05

Hopefully it will make trouble makers think twice

How do you define 'troublemaker' and what 'troublemaking' would you expect them to think twice about? Indeed, at what point would you expect the armed officer to fire at someone? Would they shoot to kill or to wound. What about passers by?

As far as I can see the only time an armed response is possibly needed is in situations the police already know about, where they would have their armed officers deployed anyway. Can't see any need for the police to be carrying guns 'on the beat'.

Cherrytree59 Wed 03-Aug-16 18:03:39

In the past (I can't talk about now)
The police officers applied for Arms training
The ones who were successfully trained were very aware that
1 They may hit bystander and
2 After using a fire arm they would have give a detailed report
3 They could be still be charged with a wrongful shooting

They are highly trained officers and not just taken off the beat given a firearm

A truncheon was mentioned
If the truncheon was drawn at an incident then a report had to be given as to where and why. ( I expect the same of tasers now)

We cannot suddenly put extra armed police on the streets
They ready and waiting to be sent where required.
Again I can only speak of the past
The regular police officers did not want to be routinely armed. (the exception being of course the trained armed division).

gonosuch I think the quote was
'Its better to let ten men go free than to Hang one Innocent man'

LullyDully Wed 03-Aug-16 18:40:35

They said on the news to say "hello" to the armed Police. Can't say I would fancy it, they do look scary. I was always proud our Police were unarmed. Different times.

London is an obvious target but many towns and cities have a military presence; Blanford Forum, Portsmouth, Aldershot, Winchester, Portsmouth and many many more. The IR A didn't stick to London.