Beginning to distrust Jeremy Corbyn

No I didn't forget to say I was brought up in a labour stronghold and had lots of friends who were important in the Labour Party, why give you the chance to mock twice in one day Jen? My great grandfather helped to form the Labour Party and I inherited his journals and letters from Hardie . I have two family members who were labour MP's, but my decision to join the party was because it was nearest to my Christian beliefs . Of all the leaders the one I admire the most is Gordon Brown

Lucky this isn't Just a Minute, Annie. You have gone back to repetition again.
I think there was possibly more to his divorce than that, but I suppose you know better again.
I imagine she knew his thoughts on education before the son was born.

Annie, it's not up to Corbyn to get rid of the party chairman.

Bean, I think he is a damaged soul, he is putting himself before the party, even divorced wife no 2 because he didn't agree with her choice of school for their son , people need at times to compromise, he is unbending . Well to be fair he did tell the select committee that with hindsight he shouldn't have called ?Hamas friends

We could be members before we voted because the voting age was 21 then, so things have changed.
You forgot to say there that you were brought up in a labour stronghold, and had lots of friends who were important in the labour party.
You should be encouraging the youth of today who are brought up post Thatcher and wanting to escape from a materialistic society. My parents voted Tory all their lives until Blair persuaded them he was just the same as Thatcher.

He'll Bells Eleothsn , I didn't say Blair hasn't made money, I said he did not work for di tstor when he was PM. Jen said he should have cared for for his constituency than making the money . Still if I said rain was wet you would jump in

Pretty similar to you, Eloethan, but we moved to Hampshire, then back up North.
The only arguments my husband and I had about politics was that he still supported the labour party through thick and thin, despite Tony Blair, and I couldn't because of Tony Blair.
Our sons sided with him.
Last Friday would have been our golden wedding anniversary, so it shows how long we supported the party and were members of it for most of the time.

Difficult Jen, I think at least a year, trying to recall how long I was a member before I voted, can't recall. I know I joined because I wanted to support for and work for the party, voting for leaders didn't occurred to me. I haven't s good record on voting for leaders, I did vote for Wilson, Foot, Kinnock, would hive voted for Brown if he had stood, didn't vote for Milliband voted for Andy Burnham, voted for Corbyn but not Tom Watson as deputy, I was really torn for deputy leader, wanted s woman but couldn't choose between Flint and Eagle so voted for Ben Bradshaw , he won a Tory seat but endured the most vile homophobic attacks, so chose him,

durhamjen did not tell lies about Blair making money from dictators - it is well known and has been widely reported. As Blair has an estimated £27 million property empire, if these allegations are untrue, surely he would sue those making them?

So, dj, you are one of his supporters?

If growing up means being willing to kill using nuclear weapons, then I haven't either.
If growing up means taking money from the poor and disabled, and owning a housing portfolio of billions, instead of wanting to share the wealth, then I haven't either.
If growing up means supporting the bankers and tax dodgers at the expense of the homeless, workless and the NHS, then I am pleased he hasn't and neither have I.

Gracesgran is not defending the far left Anniebach. In fact, she has has been less than complimentary about the Labour Party as a whole, including the PLP. She is just saying that you seem to think your opinion is the only valid one and that, that being the case, it gives you the right to refer to other people as "groupies" "trots" "far left", etc. etc., and to tell trisher over and over again in a most aggressive fashion to "get it". Just because you have been active in the Labour Party for many years, does not give you the right to make pronouncements about other people's motivation and behaviour.

I am 66 and I joined the Labour Party in my teens, and my husband was secretary of the Labour Party when we lived in Colchester. When we moved to Horsham - a Conservative stronghold - we were active in the Labour Party and held meetings at our house because the funds were not available to pay for a meeting room. When we moved to London, we continued our membership but, for a number of reasons, we let it lapse. I considered joining the Green Party but we decided to re-join the Labour Party at the beginning of the previous election campaign in order to support Miliband. Miliband too was subjected to the usual vicious attacks and ridicule aimed at Labour leaders (apart from Blair) by the press and mainstream media. That was despite the fact that his policies could not be described as "far left" and that he, in my view mistakenly, on behalf of the Labour Party accepted the blame for the 2008 crash and, to a large degree, accepted that a programme of austerity was the right way forward.

The trouble with Comrade Corbyn is that he has never grown up.

In your opinion, Annie, how long should members be members before they have a right to vote?

'When a political party faces a catastrophic election defeat, a protracted period of reflection and self-criticism is normally expected. Why were we rejected, and how do we win people back? But in Labour’s internal battle, there has been precious little soul-searching by the defeated. Mirroring those on the left who blame media brainwashing for the Tories’ electoral victories, they simply believe they have been invaded by hordes of far-left zombies assembled by Momentum. The membership are reduced to, at best, petulant children; at worst, sinister hate-filled mobs. Some of those now mustering outrage at Corbynistas for smearing Labour critics as Tories were the same people who applied “Trot” as a blanket term for leftwingers in the Blair era. Although Tom Watson (no Blairite) accepts there are Momentum members “deeply interested in political change”, he has raised the spectre of the shrivelled remnants of British Trotskyism manipulating younger members; but surely he accepts they have agency and are capable of thinking for themselves? Arch critics reduce Corbynism to a personality cult, which is wrong. In any case, when Blair was leader, I recall his staunchest devotees behaving like boy-band groupies. I remember Blair’s final speech to party conference – delegates produced supposedly homemade placards declaring “TB 4 eva” and “We love you Tony”.'

Owen Jones again. Sorry, DEvorgilla, it does not follow your post, but I'd just taken ages to copy it.

Can't find out what he said he would change, just the fact that he would ensure that everyone's vote had equal value, which is what I thought did happen now, brought in by Ed Miliband.
However, it is obviously not true, as the labour party has taken the labour party to court, usiong the money taken by offering members a vote in an election, but not this election.

I joined the Labour Party because it was the nearest to my Christian beliefs, now it seems joining to vote is more important than joining to be a party member ,

Devo, he has planned ,once he wins this leadership election to get rid of the party chairman because he supported the NEC challenging the first court outcome. He wants membership for anyone and everyone do more militants can get back in he wants a far left party , this is why he hinted at deselection of MP's . This is his agenda

Do any of the Corbyn supporters know how JC wants to change the rules for future leadership elections? I read in the Observer today that JC welcomes in all the newcomers regardless of their past political affiliations and presumably doesn't see why the party would want to make sure they are bona fide Labour supporters. I note that one of the five who took the NEC to court was a long term Tory. Did this person then have a Pauline 'Road to Damascus' conversion since JC became leader with the scales falling from his eyes when he realised that, far from being a life-long Tory, he was really a socialist of the JC persuasion? Does this then mean that a percentage of the membership is quite happy to have the leader appointed by 'reformed' Tories/UKIP/BNP/Uncle Tom Cobley and all rather than true Labour supporters of all Labour-wings' persuasions? I struggle with this one as I support the NEC's decision to make sure the voters in this election are tried and trusted, hardworking members of at least six months' membership who have the best intentions for the long term health of the Party. I cannot understand why others would seek anything else unless they have their own agenda to push.

Gracesgran,nyou mean you joined the SDP but left when they joined with the liberals? The I apologise for thinking you remained with the,

Still,puzzling thst you joined the SDP which was formed by the Gang of Four because they were against the far left but now you are defending the far left

trisher

You are not reading facts re the use of the word 'traitors'. I am not relying on the printed press I watched couple of interview on political programs where the use of the word 'traitors' was happily used .

Calling perfectly respected MP's traitors is not a word of my making but factually used by the Durham Miners Association them self.

I am going to give up as your memory problems will obviously have me repeating myself again and again.

You are obviously right Annie, you were there from the beginning and have the right to tear into a democratically elected leader because of your history with the LP. No one else can have any opinion in these circumstances - silly me.

I have absolutely no time for Tom Watson I believe his dealings with the disgraceful Union issues at Falkirk/Ineos and his use of Parliamentary Privilege and subsequent smearing of politicians over peadophile allegations that had no substance did him nor the Labour Party any favours.

It has to be said if the likes of Tom Watson , knowing his character will be brought to the fore once more, is going out on a limb to make the point that some have been making from the very start of the Leadership election being won by Corbyn have been eluding to and questioning re the 'force' behind Corbyn (Momentum) having elements of a far left desire to 'take on' the Parliamentary Labour Party from the outset.

Some posters seem to have a firm belief that there is a right wing press, conservative attempt to bring trouble to the Labour Party but I have been interested in Corbyn for a long time. I think my first reaction to him was at the time of the Brighton Bombings and latterly watching his many interviews on Russia Today, especially with George Galloway on Sputnik.

I noted from the outset when he won the Leadership so many staunch left of politics commentators were making the connections between Momentum/Corbyn and Trots/Militant I don't think this has ever been a right wing propaganda exercise, it was never required the left were perfectly capable of assessing the situation and were prepared to make the association publicly.

Tom Watson is in fact only repeating the comments so many have been saying since December when Corbyn and Momentum made a decision to be a pro Corbyn group in opposition to the Parliamentary Labour Party elected by the voter. Which one will will the hearts and minds in the next General Election only time will tell but Corbyn will be the Leader at the next election in my opinion.

I did not join the Lib Dems Annie; I am not a Liberal and I have told you that before too.

Me being bossy! Here we are, on my computer 20 pages in, and you are still coming over as if you are the only person with a right to have a view on the disputes in the Labour Party!

Not getting your facts right does not enhance what you declare to be right simply because you believe it and say so therefore it must be. Meanwhile you tear the current leader of your party in a most unprepossessing manner.

Clicked too soon again sorry. Yes I recall now you joined the SDP who joined the liberals, I would expect a liberal supporter to be speaking of the liberal,party's policies , unless you have changed sides again Gracesgran and have now gone to the far left which was the very cause the SDP was formed , puzzling