Beginning to distrust Jeremy Corbyn

Yes it!s Corbyn will win the leadership Iam, and just as obvious labour may not even have enough seats after the general election to form an official oposition party . Corbyn can't even form a shadow cabinet now. The reason he and his plotters are planning to deselect good MP's

I haven't seen any evidence of the BBC or the right wing press helping Owen Smith to win the leadership competition JessM. In fact it seems to be accepted in all the press and news reports I've seen or heard that Corbyn will win outright.
Jalima, from the last leadership hustings, it was clear that Jeremy Corbyn got the warmest support from huge gatherings in halls around our area. It's been the same at local LPC meetings, Jeremy Corbyn has been nominated as the constituency recommendation in every area around here (North West). I do understand the desire to have a Labour Party that opposes the government's austerity policies. I haven't changed my mind during the course of this thread. I fear the future of the party with JC as leader. Despite the enthusiasm at Labour rallies, I do not believe he can win an election. Labour as a permanent party of opposition isn't helping anyone.

Jrn, read your own post . why would Blair be invited to the gala AFTER he had stood down as MP? You said be had refused every year but only had contempt fir the miners, yet he was invited when he became Middle East envoy?

I have no intention of reading your links after the rubbish you posted yesterday , sorry but if you support Corbyn knowing he fought to get the banned trots back into the party you must approve of their far left politics and didn't agree with the reasons Derek Hatton and his ilk were banned .

I have said I will vote for smith but it will be an anti Corbyn vote

He had big crowds in Sunderland and Gateshead, too, and they are not young female groupies in the photos I've seen.
In fact I haven't seen any photos of him being surrounded by young female groupies. Perhaps you could link to some, Annie.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/07/blairites-divorce-tony-blair-chilcot-report-iraq-labour-mps

Here's a link to what Owen Jones says about Blair and the Chilcot enquiry.
I think you used to like Owen Jones; not sure if you still do.

Huge turnout to see Corbyn speak at Milton Keynes railway station today. MK always seemed to be to be very apathetic and non-political (during the 15 years or so that I lived there). So the past is evidently no guide to the future.
It was just that JessM thought MK was politically apathetic.

Now a huge crowd there seems to make it seem as if a new enthusiasm has been found because of Jeremy Corbyn - but I feel that it could be the same people as you say anniebach - travelling and following him around to give the impression that there is a huge groundswell in the country in favour of him and his policies.
However, that's not what I have heard from my (admittedly limited) grapevine of labour-supporting family and friends.

I did not say when he made his money, Annie.
I say he made it by using the fact that he knows dictators and acts as a middleman.
One of his companies is paid a retainer of £100,000 a month for acting as a middleman between Saudi petrochemical and Chinese companies.
I do not expect that from an ex socialist PM, do you?
I AM NOT A SUPPORTER of TROTS AND THE FAR LEFT, AND I think you should withdraw that slur.

Jalima, I think it's a mixture, genuine Corbyn groupies, momentum getting same members to turn up for rallies, they did fill thr O2 with members, then there are the curious and sadly those gripped in some strange hysteria, like the crowd who sang - the wind beneath my wings to him. Even queenie doesn't get thst, rather like Diana mania in my opinion

just wondering if these huge turnouts are many of the same people or a new enthusiastic crowd in each place.
Just a thought.

I know more than you Jen, he made his money AFTER he stood down . strsnge thst a man who you state had contempt for miners was MP for Sedgefirld for twenty four years, unbelievable they hadn't Sussex out this contempt, obviously not as knowledgable as you Jen . I will discuss far left and centre politics, no time to discuss politics with a supporter of the far lift and trots , waste of time. I think you should withdraw your allegations sgsinst Blair, blatant lies

You know a lot about Blair, too, do you, Annie?
Where has he made his millions?
Why did he never once attend the miners gala, which had miners from his own constituency?

Smith has no chance of winning the leadership contest, everyone knows this . I think the past is a guide to the future, is it not from our past we learn not to repeats the same mistakes . Naturally the many young who attend the Corbyn rallies have no first hand experience of living under more than two governments , they get their info from Twitter .

Has none listened to Derek Hatton saying he has applied to join the party again because it is now a party of thirty years ago, - he was thrown out of the party for his militant convictions

Huge turnout to see Corbyn speak at Milton Keynes railway station today. MK always seemed to be to be very apathetic and non-political (during the 15 years or so that I lived there). So the past is evidently no guide to the future.
I think Labour appeared to be too similar to the Tories in the election last year and this was a mistake. Ed etc had voted in favour of austerity. Tristram Hunt was supporting academies etc Nobody was challenging Hunt and Cameron about their attack on the NHS and local authorities. So repeating that pattern is not going to do anything to get rid of the most right-wing government we've had since WW2.
I don't think Owen Smith has a hope in hell of winning the leadership contest even with the help of the BBC and the UK press.

Jen, for the first time one of your posts re Blair making money in the service of dictators whilst PM and your declaration that he held contempt for miners has sickened me , both are blatant lies , I thought you an honest poster who had no need to resort to lies to defend your political allegiance . Perhaps far too much time searching the Internet and reading such rubbish as your post mocking Tom Watson and Margaret Hodge and the momentum trash

What's middle England?

He was invited every year, though, and his constituency started about a mile from the gala venue.
Might have made him a nicer person if he'd thought more about his constituents and less about making millions in the service of dictators.
Sedgefield was a mining constituency. It makes one wonder why he wanted to be MP for Sedgefield if he had such contempt for miners.

Two genuine questions, any labour supporters concerned about the far left running the Labour Party and do you realy think middle England will vote for a far left party?

Blair wouldn't have gone to a miners gala, the far left have always taken centre stage there with the union leaders. Think Scargill.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/labour-jeremy-corbyn-ban-members-from-voting-high-court-can-t-be-trusted-economy-a7184971.html

My labour MP is here every weekend. She doesn't just show her face once a year at the Miners Gala.
Corbyn was a good friend to the man who ran the miners union in Durham, Davey Hopper, who died of a heart attack just a week after this year's gala. Corbyn gets attacked for looking scruffy, and for looking smart.
Tony Blair never turned up for the miners gala, even though he was a Durham MP.

Stansgran, doesn't Durham hsve labour MP's?

Speaking at a rally in MK at 4 this afternoon. When did you "see" him anya?

@Phoenix . Jeremy was spotted in Durham recently wearing a black suit and tie and not as scruffy as usual. He had been to a funeral. That's twice this summer he's been here. Labour only show their faces here when they are desperate as they are so confident they are loved here they can neglect us.

Annabach got a feeling you've been overdosing on LBC?

I'm sure I saw Jeremy today in A&E. If he next appears wearing a cast on his left wrist I'll know it was him for sure

My daughter went in the last year before fees went up to £9000 (pressure to get her A level grades or what!).

The salary threshold went up the next year to £21k from £15k and the debt is wiped out after 30 years, not 25 years. Therefore, students who started university since 2013 have to pay 'graduate tax' for an extra five years.

It doesn't really matter to the graduates how much they owe, because it will probably not be paid back anyway. What matters is the amount they have to pay back every year and the length of time before it's written off. 18 year olds need to think very carefully about the course they choose. Either they choose something which will make the 'graduate tax' worthwhile OR they choose something because they love it and have no intention of looking for a job earning over £21k.

You're right that they were promised that the earnings threshold would rise in line with inflation, but it's been frozen.