Beginning to distrust Jeremy Corbyn

Obieone, it is obvious you are being bullied but Iam is no bully love . Try to ignore bullies , keep posting your opinions, be prepared for some to agree with you and some to disagree and stand your ground,

Glad you've spotted what's going on too AB

Anniebach I believe you said yourself that if Corbyn wins you will very seriously consider leaving the Labour Party.

Eloethan I'm sure that was just a gut reaction to what's going on and that Anniebach will hang on in there until this runs it's inevitable course.

Eleothan, I have been so very unsure since I decided Corbyn was the worse leader any party could have. There will be no Labour Party to stay with or leave with him as leader. If I left the party I wouldn't be leaving the Labour Party, I would be leaving a party taken over by the likes of Hatton, Galloway, Taffe and Co and a fan club. I will wait and see what the many good, true labour MP's will do . So Anya is correct , I will hang on in there and wait

See, I took a very different view of Margaret Beckett's comments. I haven't forgotten that it was she who nominated Corbyn, & after he was elected said that if she'd known he'd win she'd never have nominated him. Well it's that kind of morally bankrupt attitude that has contributed to people turning away from the Labour party as it was. She has sown a wind & reaped a whirlwind. I attended my first CLP meeting last week. Two of the old guard (combined membership years totalling something like 300 ;)) tried to shut it down on a point of order. Both Smith supporters. And tried to get the vote done as a secret ballot because of 'fear of troublemakers'. It was done as a show of hands with a resounding win for Corbyn, & was comradely throughout with no nastiness. What struck me was that those who spoke for Smith seemed to be motivated by fear & negativity, & could say little that was positive about their candidate. About threequarters of the meeting were new joiners, & the enthusiasm & passion with which they spoke was inspiring. Yet the old guard, instead of harnessing & using this passion, are afraid of it & want to shut it down. I was able to vote as I'd joined before July 12th. Had the meeting been held the very next day I'd have been barred because of the appeal being won. But I can still vote in the leadership election because I've paid an extra £25 blood money to be a registered supporter. Even peeps with little interest in politics can see how wrong all this is. We live in interesting times.

littlefierce - your name I suspect is taken from the Shakespearean quote "And though she be little she is fierce". I bought my GD a t-shirt with that on.
Take a positive view of the £25. It will go to the election fighting fund to get the Tories out. The NEC had to bring in a cut off point, and it is hotly debated when that should have been. I believe they thought they were being fair to those who had joined since Jan 12th to give them an opportunity to still vote but I know my view on that will be fiercely denounced on here. That is why I believe we, the voting LP members, have to push for a definitive system for the next leadership contest and close all the loopholes. Of course once those are closed if they don't suit the other side next time, and that could well be JC's following, then that is just too bad. Swings and roundabouts.
Yes, AB, hang in there. You have been with us too long to go now. Who knows what will come out of it all?

I feel sorry for Margaret Becket, a loyal party member , a deputy leader, Corbyn was scratching around trying to find the number he needed to stand for leadership and so she treating him fairly - not knowing she was helping the very person who wanted to destroy the party - gave him a nomination ,I know how she feels,mi too trusted him and I too am reaping the whirlwind for misplaced trust . I don't see trust as being morally bankrupted , I see those still supporting a man who wants to destroy the party as morally bankrupt, to join a party to destroy it is just that

I think 'blood money' is an excellent description of the twenty five pounds , this is what the twenty five pounders are buying and want

But it wasn't they who set up the system or who will receive the money. It would seem to most people that it is "Blood money" in the sense that the party is available to anyone who is willing to pay. Not the fault of those who actually do the paying.
I agree with littlefierce about Margaret Beckett.
Anniebach there are posts on here about local Labour groups supporting Corbyn, could I ask if your local group is doing so?

Just had a great telephone conversation re the cabinet when Corbyn is PM

Chancellor McDonald who will add f******g in all his speeches

Hatton. Employment , redundancy notices will be sent around by taxi again so more taxi drivers needed

George Galloway. Foreign minister Hates Europe and loves the Middle East
Taffe. Home Secretary

Scargill. Works and pensions ,

Well thank you Anniebach for describing me and others who support Corbyn as "morally bankrupt".

Your nastiness - and your alarmist scenarios - are worthy of the right wing press.

Eleothan, I am ,entitled to my opinion, I cannot apologise for my views on those who are willing to,pay twenty five pounds to destroy the party and hurt the vunerable

Devorgilla - yes you are correct about the quote, & I too bought my GD the T shirt :D But the reason why I & others are annoyed about the cut off date is that when we joined it was clearly stated on Labour's website that we'd be able to vote. That was removed after the NEC's decision. And the 'fighting fund', is, basically, my membership money & registered supporters money being used to go to court to disenfranchise me.
Annibach - yes I do regard it as morally bankrupt to nominate someone as a 'token gesture', never believing he'd actually win, then doing everything in your power to undermine him & get rid of him. If she felt like that she should never have nominated him in the first place. A fundamental lack of integrity on her part. Oh, & I didn't pay the £25 to destroy the party. I was given no other choice if I wanted to vote for the candidate of my choice. It is morally wrong that new members who can't afford the extra £25 are disenfranchised yet '£25 pounders' as you call them can vote without even being a party member.

Re Margaret Beckett and her initial support to put JC on the ticket - it could equally be described as political correctness in that no left wing candidate had been put forward. Several of the centre left felt that the debate should be widened to include all shades of political opinion in the PLP and wider party so that true debate re the future of Labour in the country and party should be reflected. So, some, against their better judgment supported JC's candidature. No-one anticipated that scores would sign up simply to give us JC and not all of them friends to the LP.

You are so right Devo, sadly some seem more keen to paint everyone black in the hope it will make Corbyn whiter than white . Wonder how many vote for him from pity

When then should have been the cut off date? We can all speculate on the best time now as the court has made the decision for us. Too late for this round but what date would you have been happy with and what would you put in place for next time? I do feel these issues need sorted out as soon as this election is over. I have suggested that in future once a candidate declares their intention to run against the incumbent leader the cut off should be midnight on that day and that should be clearly stated in the membership blurb. I personally would have been quite happy for that to have happened this time. We could have had a longer 'waiting' time to the ballot while they weeded out those who should not be in the Party to begin with e.g. Sitting councillors of other parties, those who stood against Labour in the last election and are on the fringe of the LP etc. We have bandied posts back and forth about the cut off date but none to my knowledge has yet said when it should have been. It does seem to me that we need to be much more precise in how we word things today but that too has dangers in that there is no room for manoeuvre if you suddenly need it.

I would want immediate cut off, no joining the day a leadership challenge is announced , wouldn't stop all twenty five pounders who are aware a challenge is due though . So perhaps my original time, at least a year .join the party not a fan club

I have no problem with a cut off date. I do have a problem with there being no cut off date mentioned on Labour's website when I joined the party, & the phrase 'you'll be able to vote' being removed immediately the NEC had made its decision. If a cut off date had been mentioned - I'd have joined anyway. I also have a problem with CLPs deciding apparently randomly who is & isn't allowed to attend/vote. Ours gave July 12th as the cut off date & people ineligible to vote were allowed to attend & speak. Other CLPs were giving a cut of date of January 12th & turning ineligible voters away at the door. Had my meeting been just one day later (after the appeal)I'd have been denied my vote. I think we can all agree on one thing - this has been an absolute embarrassing shambles & yes it needs sorting out so this kind of farce can't happen again.

Jen asked for a link confirming my post where I said Corbyn ran a fight to get Militants who had been expelled back into the party.

I cannot provide a link but can confirm it can be seen and read on C4 news Thursday 11th August 7.00pm

Corbyns letter is shown in full, because of failing eye sight I couldn't read the full page, Crick read it out but my shorthand is very poor now

This is the end of Corbyns appeal

Comrades in London should flood the NEC with protest resolutions as a matter of urgency

Contact

Jeremy. Corbyn

DEFEAT THE WITCHUNT CAPMPAIGN

38, Lausanne Rd.. N8

Perhaps it's available on catch up if more proof is required

Does this interest you ab? From the Independent.

Whitehall watchers believe that some in MI5 will be taking a close interest in Watson’s claims, given his seniority in the party. They might regard Momentum as the new Militant, a party within a party. The current wave of rail strikes may be a coincidence but might be seen by some spooks as evidence that the enemies of the state are gathering.

This also;

Jon Lansman was seen four times last month using a desk in the Labour leader’s set of rooms in Parliament according to multiple sources.

The news undermines previous claims that Momentum is run independently from Mr Corbyn’s office after a series of fierce rows about the group’s behaviour towards MPs.

Beam, thank you so much ,most interesting . I have been told by friends working in Westminster that Lansman at times works from Corbyns offices

I just knew Momentum was a Militant group, have seen it all before . All the rubbish about a coup by Blairites when it is a coup by Militants which is what we are witnessing . I said recently we will see more strikes , I am grateful I am not a lone voice on this thread

www.socialistproject.org/issues/august-2016/owen-smith-coup-candidate/

For a bit of balance.

I believe Comrade Corbyn is an enemy of the state.