Childhood obesity strategy "lite"

@Jalima

There is an awful lot which is still not understood about nutrition. I developed Type 2 diabetes when I was in my early 30s, despite never having been obese. I am usually a healthy weight, although I struggle not to become overweight. When I was first diagnosed, I had consultant care at a specialist unit and I was part of all sorts of research trials, but nobody could tell me why I had developed diabetes. Thirty years later, I wish I still had that level of care, because research has progressed and maybe somebody could provide some answers. As it is, I've experimented with what works best for me regarding food. There's nothing I don't eat, but I find that restricting carbs to below 75 a day (as far as possible) and eating fats (mainly healthy ones) works best. I've fallen out with so many dieticians who have told me that I should be eating less fat and more starchy carbs. The link to artificial sweeteners is interesting, because I used to use them quite a lot.

Interestingly, medical researchers are beginning to say what I've been saying all along, namely that fat helps regulate blood glucose levels. (sigh) I obviously missed my vocation.

I don't understand what you mean by fats not containing vitamins, dd. If a vitamin is only obtainable in the food I eat that contains animal fats (e.g. meat, fish, dairy products), as far as I'm concerned the fats in which the vitamins are to be found in their fat-soluble state are the fats that contain the vitamins.

Could you explain a bit more what you meant perhaps?

Some fats contain vitamin D, E, K and A (butter, for instance), Virgin rapeseed oil contains Vitamin E, K, Olive oil contains E, unsaturated oils contain omega 3 etc etc.

It is the processing into margarines etc that forms the

Oh, unamended and unfinished!
Have to go anyway,


Unprocessed oils are good, processed oils are not good.
In a nutshell (nuts are good in moderation too!)

Wonder what called her away so irresistibly.

A lot of the vitamins in a pork chop is in the fat.

A sausage roll is a dreadful "meal substitute"! Hardly any nutrients. Just saturated fat of the worst kind and carbs. A miniscule amount of actual meat.

Give me the fruit juice and the raisins any day. (Vitamins and fibre)

I wouldn't worry about that missed vocation dd.

@JF

What's wrong with carbs and fat in moderation? Both are nutrients and the body needs them to thrive. Sorry, but it really isn't a bad meal substitute once in a while and no worse than a ham sandwich. Nobody needs to obtain every single nutrient in a single meal.

No, the vitamins aren't in the fat. They're dissolved in the fat, as they are in the fat of a sausage roll.

So vitamins that are dissolved in the fat of a piece of meat are not in the fat. Are they in the meat? Are the fats in the meat? Is (or rather, was) the meat in the animal?

Is the sugar that someone dissolves in their cup of tea not in the tea (the drink not the leaves)?

I thought a solution of something meant that the something that is in solution was now in the substance it was dissolved in until extracted by some method such as evaporation.

Sorry, dd, I am not getting your 'pedantry' at all. Never mind. Please don't go to any more effort to enlighten me. I'm actually happy to think that I get my vitamin A from animal fats, and I don't think this thought will bring me any harm

Thank you for sending me to bed with a on my face.

Love gransnet ?

What I meant, thatbags, is that fats and vitamins are distinct molecules.

I'm sure you realise this, but all foodstuffs can be classified as containing macronutrients (fats, carbs and protein), micronutrients (vitamins and minerals) and trace elements.

Most foodstuffs contain a combination of different nutrients, but it doesn't mean that the nutrients themselves contain other nutrients.

No problem, thatbags, but just for your information, the form of Vitamin A from animal sources is called retinyl palminate. Veggies obtain their Vitamin A in the form of beta-carotene, so technically they're in the same situation. The vitamins do NOT form part of the fat.

Yes absolutely right about juices being marketed as healthy. Recommended amount for an adult per day is a small wine glass - and not a full one!
Smoothies too - I stopped buying them because husband glugging down half a pint at a time - a hell of a lot of fructose.
Someone on a food programme on TV compared luxury ice-cream with the kind you get from ice cream vans and decided that the whipped kind from the van much lower in calories than gelato. 99 anyone?

Queen Mary, jingls, calling imperiously from the sitting room

X post dd as it took me so long to type or amend on this tablet!
I had a friend who developed diabetes in pregnancy and it did not go afterwards although she was told it might.

Those posters who have contributed since yesterday on this thread - are you all healthy[I know daohnedill has diabetes] if you dont mind me asking?

I feel like agreeing with the poster who is the healthiest! Proof of the pudding and all that!

obieone good health is subjective.

Is my diabetes in your filing system, obieone?

Yes, I have diabetes. As I manage it well, mainly through diet and minimal medication, I'm also amazingly healthy. I sometimes wander into the Health forum and am very grateful that I don't have (and have never had) the conditions mentioned.

I was diagnosed as diabetic nearly 30 years ago and was told it was progressive. I'll never be cured, but it can be managed. Somebody who has had diabetes for as long as I have would expect to have some serious symptoms by now. The fact that I don't have any is a reflection of my diet.

How? In what way? I dont think so unless you can persuade me otherwise.

You said you have diabetes upthread dd. Even I cant forget things that fast!

You sound healthy to me dd, apart from the diabetes.

I am listening to you in that case!

@Jalima

I was diagnosed with diabetes before pregnancy. As a result, my health was monitored very closely both times. Strangely, I didn't put on any weight during either of my pregnancies and ended up lighter post-birth than before, despite craving for (and drinking) full sugar Coca Cola, which I wouldn't normally touch.

Women who develop diabetes during pregnancy are at high risk of developing a permanent condition through no 'fault' of their own.

Although T2 diabetes is associated with obesity, there are many people (like me) who have never been obese and other people who are morbidly obese who don't develop diabetes. There is on-going research about the role of stress, because there seems to be some link between cortisol (the 'stress hormone') and diabetes, but nobody is yet clear how that works. Pregnancy puts the body in stress mode, so it's possible there's a link.

@obieone

I don't understand your questions @12.14.50.

What am I supposed to be persuading you about?

I found the posts in the last 24 hours difficult to follow and somewhat contradictory.
By your admission, apart from diabetes you are healthy.

People who are healthy are probably doing a lot of things right, food wise.

Article from the Times today by Clare Foges on the subject: "We need the PM to become Nanny Theresa".