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What sort of world is this?

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phoenix Sun 21-Aug-16 18:11:49

Where the suicide bomber at a wedding celebration was between 12 and 14?

M0nica Mon 22-Aug-16 14:27:11

It is fine for Marcus Bridgestock to go to Calais and see the desperate plight of children there and say 'Something must be done' and if finding homes and asylum for the children currently in Calais was all that needed doing, then I am sure something would be done

But when we have solved the problems and provided aid and protection for all the children currently in Calais, their spaces in the jungle will soon be filled with more children, also living in appalling conditions, possibly even worse conditions because there would probably many more of them because of the chances they would feel they had of being fast tracked into the UK.

What we need to do is get together with France and other countries and try to find ways to control the entry of migrants through actions at the source of the problem.

I would be much in favour of granting refugees 5 year visas, on the understanding that after that time, unless the war continued they would have to go back to their home countries, no matter what ties they might establish in the UK. Many of the people fleeing war torn countries like Syria are the all important professionals, medical staff, engineers, IT experts etc etc. The people most needed to rebuild that war torn area.

Children's visas could extend until 21 or the end of their professional training and as part of our overseas aid we could educatethem, send them to university or help them train through apprentice ships so that when they return home they have a means of earning their living and also contributing to the reconstruction of their country.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 22-Aug-16 14:31:55

Actually, the solution might be to throw in our lot with Assad and Russia. Put him back in power and let him rein in the so-called Islamic State. Perhaps he would be the lesser evil. As Saddam Hussein was.

Humbertbear Mon 22-Aug-16 14:49:19

The people used as human bombs - especially children - are usually drugged

Helmsley444 Mon 22-Aug-16 17:17:41

Yes its awful whats going on all over the world.But it has always been so.And i font see why it us, ie the uk who always hss toclean up everybodys else mess.We shd look to the probelms we have here which profound and many.

Stansgran Mon 22-Aug-16 17:26:42

I think France has a lot to answer for. If they said no way will you be allowed to go to the uk . You are here and must claim asylum here the I think it would solve a lot of problems . I am a Francophile with French grandchildren by the way. As to the child suicide bombers I was told that they were now picking Down's syndrome children as their suicide bomber of choice. Lovely people.

phoenix Mon 22-Aug-16 18:31:10

All wars fought in the name of religion are an obscenity.

(IMO)

phoenix Mon 22-Aug-16 18:33:07

All wars fought in the name of religion are obscene.

(IMO)

phoenix Mon 22-Aug-16 18:33:21

Oops.

M0nica Mon 22-Aug-16 19:49:07

Very few wars are fought for religion. Most are given a religious veneer because the contenders happen to be of different religions.

Look at the similarities between whatisname al Baghdadi of Isis (supposedly muslim) and Pol Pot, atheist and communist. They are both psychopaths who get a thrill from killing people and seeing people die slowly and in ghastly ways. That has got nothing to do with religion, atheism or communism and all to do with what these people are, and their charismatic power over their followers. However in both cases the religious/atheist/communist ideologies they followed make an excellent cloak for their personal ambitions.

It is the same in Ireland, which |England has been trying to colonise, more or less successfully since Norman times. In one act of defiance the native Irish were successful. They refused to convert from catholicism to the conquerors religion, protestantism. The English then took over land, especially after the Flight of the Earls in 1607, cleared it of Irish and encouraged thousands of good protestant settlers, mostly Scottish to settle Ulster. How could the Irish recognise the incomers? By their names (Scottish not Irish) and their religion, protestant not catholic. The struggle against the English and their supporters became one of religion rather than native against incomer.

I am told the Boku Haram Islamist militant movement in Nigeria, rises as much from the way farming and towns, where many people are Christian, has encroached on the land previously used by pastoral graziers, almost entirely Muslim, as from religion As the land the cattle grazed on has become more limited and the pastoralist have difficulty finding sufficient grazing so Boko Haram has grown Boku Haram means ban the book ie reading because the usually illiterate herdsmen see education as being a town/agricultural/christian activity. It is like the rivalry between farmers and cowboys in 19th century America.

Jalima Mon 22-Aug-16 21:16:59

Actually, the solution might be to throw in our lot with Assad and Russia. Put him back in power and let him rein in the so-called Islamic State. Perhaps he would be the lesser evil.
jings it's a dilemma isn't it. Unfortunately, there is always what they call the 'collateral damage' as epitomised by that little boy the other day:
www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/18/boy-in-the-ambulance-image-emerges-syrian-child-aleppo-rubble
and his older brother has now died.

And who can forget the chemical attack on the Kurds by Saddam Hussein and them escaping, some barefoot, over the mountains.
And that f*** George Galloway, apologist for Saddam Hussein.
sad

Jalima Mon 22-Aug-16 21:18:43

M0nica 2nd paragraph, spot on.

Megalomaniacs and psychopaths.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 22-Aug-16 21:29:26

Didn't need the link thank you jalima.