Just to make it clear, the highlight did not work. The first half section of my post above, are the words of durhamjen.
When a political leader lies on their CV - can you trust them?
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The silliest thing about the Corbyn "Traingate" fiasco is that before the railways were privatised, I often had to sit on the floor toing and froing between Preston and Edinburgh. Sometimes there was no buffet car. And the toilets were often disgusting.
I guess Corbyn didn't travel by train much back then 
However, the trains I travelled on usually had more space for luggage than current Virgin trains.
Just to make it clear, the highlight did not work. The first half section of my post above, are the words of durhamjen.
I am not a member of momentum.
They sent me emails, but I never joined. I asked them to stop sending emails when they said they would remove the non-violence clause.
*I am surprised you do not know they did that, and think that I would be a member of any group that thinks violence would be acceptable. Actually, you do know it, because I've said it before, but you still insist in your puerile condemnation of anyone who supports Corbyn.
Of course, I do not expect anybody on this thread to give me any respect for saying that.*
Hurrah! Finally! Someone has said why they do not want to be a member of momentum.[I presume there is a not missing from your third sentence]. I could not understand why people were stepping back from it.
If people did not know about the violence clause, and people do not know a poster personally, I can't see how they could expect to assume that a poster would definitely not resort to violence.
I will give you respect dj, for not joining up.
@Jalima
Who is/was Thomas Pascoe?
Gordon Brown sold the UK's gold reserves long before the country was in financial trouble. His big mistake was in not waiting, because gold subsequently rocketed in value.
Even the FT thinks it was the right decision at the time...
Britain was right to sell off its pile of gold
By Alan Beattie
The Treasury made the right decision not selling, says Alan Beattie.
The continued run of the gold price is a global investment sensation. Recently it broke the $1,500 an ounce barrier for the first time, 30 per cent higher than a year ago. Surely this lays bare the extraordinary foolishness of Gordon Brown’s announcement, 12 years ago this week, that the UK Treasury would sell off some of Britain’s gold holdings?
Actually, no. On this one occasion, Mr Brown’s decision was the right one. Let speculators go gambling on a shiny metal, if they want to. For most governments in rich countries, holding gold remains a largely pointless activity.
With hindsight, of course, Mr Brown could have gained a better price by waiting. At current rates, the $3.5bn the UK received selling bullion between 1999 and 2002 would have been closer to $19bn. The difference at current exchange rates, by the way, would be enough to cover a little over three weeks of the UK’s expected public deficit for the fiscal year 2010-2011 – not negligible, but hardly pivotal.
Mr Brown, his critics say, must be kicking himself. Similarly, the French no doubt still suffer sleepless nights for prematurely taking profit on their Louisiana claim by offloading it to Thomas Jefferson in 1803. And had I put my life savings on Ballabriggs at 20-1 before last month’s Grand National, I’d be writing this on a solid platinum laptop while being sprayed with pink champagne in my new beachfront villa in Barbados.
That is the way of things with speculative assets. The truth is that no one has a good explanation why the gold price is currently where it is. The familiar story – a hedge against inflation or government insolvency – is flatly contradicted by the low yields and inflation expectations in US Treasury bonds. The volatility of gold (and other precious metals – witness the huge drop in silver prices this week) merely underlines the risk of holding it. The $1,500 landmark is a nominal price: had governments listened to the bullion fanatics and loaded up on gold in the last big bull market in the early 1980s, they would still be waiting to earn their money back in real terms.
More substantively, criticism of Mr Brown’s sale also betrays a misunderstanding of why a country such as the UK has gold at all.
In common with most rich nations, the function of British foreign exchange reserves is not for the government to manage wealth on behalf of the country. British citizens do that themselves. The UK does not have a sovereign wealth fund that aims to maximise returns, and nor should it. It is not a big net oil and gas exporter such as Norway – UK net foreign exchange reserves are about $40bn, equivalent to 2 per cent of nominal gross domestic product, while Norway’s sovereign fund has $525bn, equivalent to almost 140 per cent of its GDP.
Nor does the UK pile up foreign assets by persistently selling its own currency to manipulate the exchange rate, as does China. It is notable that the much-vaunted official purchases of gold over the past year are mainly by countries such as China and Russia – and, to a lesser extent, Mexico – with big excess reserves.
UK reserves are there mainly for precautionary reasons – to intervene in currency markets to stop a run on sterling or to pursue monetary policy objectives. Yet gold is badly suited for this task because, despite recent interest from private investors, a large proportion of global above-ground stocks – 18 per cent in 2010 – is still held by governments.
Any attempt to sell off large amounts quickly risks driving down the world price, which is what happened after Mr Brown’s announcement in 1999, leading to an international agreement between central banks to restrict further sales.
A precautionary reserve asset held for intervention purposes whose price is likely to fall the instant it is used to intervene is singularly pointless. Of course, central banks selling into a rising market like today’s may not have the same impact as in 1999, but who knows what demand for gold will be like if and when the intervention is needed?
There remains only one other main reason for governments to hold gold – to set monetary policy by linking the national currency to the gold price. This remains as bad an idea as ever. It would have meant sharply tightening monetary policy since the fall of 2008. This would have been madness.
Private investors, and sovereign wealth funds out to make returns, can punt their money on what they like. If they choose to plonk it down on the blackjack table of the commodity markets, that is their decision. But there is no good reason that governments that hold reserves for purely precautionary purposes should feel the need to follow them.
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anniebach Your views appear to be very much tied up with your position in your local labour party and your allegiance to the many high profile people you often cite as being your personal friends, e.g. the Kinnocks - who have shown themselves to be vociferously anti-Corbyn. It often happens that longstanding members of any organisation start to think of themselves as having ownership of it, and anyone new who comes along is seen as an interloper, not one of the clique, a person who hasn't served enough time to go against the established powers that be.
You blame Corbyn for the EU referendum result but many believe the figures do not support that contention. So, because the referendum didn't go the way you wanted it to go, you turn on Corbyn and anyone who expresses any sort of support for him. You pronounce that if he wins you will leave the party. (You made a similar pronouncement when someone suggested Gisela Stuart might be a good leader). It seems that you feel perfectly entitled, because of your many years in the Labour Party - to assume that your view as to who should or should not lead the party is the only valid one. Of course, you have the right to express an opinion but you do more than that - you state your opinions as facts and you insult and ridicule those who think differently from you by calling them "moral bankrupts", "groupies", "traitors", etc. etc. etc., and by describing what they say or provide links to as "rubbish", "not worth reading".
Do you recall saying "Thank God I did not vote with Brexit. I would have to accept I was of the same mindset as the Britain First movement"? The Brexiters on this thread - some of whom now insist indignantly that you are entitled to express your opinions even if some people are petty enough to take issue with them - were not quite so magnanimous when you insulted them, and they made their annoyance quite clear in the posts that followed.
You do not seem to want Labour to win.
You're very old as well.
I was a member of the party in 1983, too. I watched them implode and tried to stop it.
I collected tins and money for South Wales miners. You are not the only one, even though you obviously think you are.
Should you not be fighting for Labour to win again?
I read today that Chukka Umunna thinks Corbyn could win the next election if May decides to stage a fast one. In 2020 he could definitely win if the party gets behind him.
But you will not, will you, no matter how many people vote for him next month.
I am not a member of momentum.
They sent me emails, but I never joined. I asked them to stop sending emails when they said they would remove the non-violence clause.
I am surprised you do not know they did that, and think that I would be a member of any group that thinks violence would be acceptable. Actually, you do know it, because I've said it before, but you still insist in your puerile condemnation of anyone who supports Corbyn.
Of course, I do not expect anybody on this thread to give me any respect for saying that.
Yes I am a socialist Jen, are you sure your not a Militant. Why do you have this need to keep on about Smith, he isn't going to win, Momentum has eased the path for their mouth peace.
You are confused Jen, how do you question I am a socialist because I believe labour will not win? Have said many times, been here before , witnessed the damage a far left party caused , worse election defeat since 1913 followed by fourteen years to climb back up out the muck militancy made, I was a socislist then in 1883, and before and still am.
Strangely enough, Smith agrees with all that and more.
So labour will never win.
Satisfied?
Are you sure you're a socialist?
So renationalise railways approx ten billion pound, build a million new homes in five years, bring back municipal buses, save the NHS, seems he agrees with many, he will not win the election
Well,they have made a good start in my village, it has now doubled in size ( should be rebranded as a town) and now come more plans for houses on about 40 acres!
^Brandon Lewis, Housing Minister, has pledged to build 1 million new homes by 2020.
Oh, sorry, I am getting mixed up, he is a Tory and in Government!^
Jalima I very much doubt if these will be affordable or social housing and certainly there is no policy to protect tenants and regulate rents.
ab you are a fickle lady. Not long ago, you loved him.
Acts 9:18
The scales have fallen from her eyes
I think he needed to be with his team to discuss stuff, and they couldn't find seats together. So they sat on the floor.
I think jingls that he was the only one sitting on the floor
.
I also think that a group of people who wish to discuss stuff - Labour Party Policy? How to oust the Tories? How to de-select unco-operative MPs? who knows - should book seats in advance so that they can sit together.
Any sensible person would do that, and surely they would not be discussing important and possibly secret matters on a train with Joe Public within earshot?
Where did all the money come from to bail out the bankers?^
Perhaps from all our gold reserves that Brown sold at an artificially low price?
Faced with the prospect of a global collapse in the banking system, the Chancellor took the decision to bail out the banks by dumping Britain’s gold, forcing the price down and allowing the banks to buy back gold at a profit, thus meeting their borrowing obligations.
I spoke with Peter Hambro, chairman of Petroplavosk and a leading figure in the London gold market, late last year and asked him about the rumours above.
“I think that Mr Brown found himself in a terrible position,” he said.
“He was facing a problem that was a world scale problem where a number of financial institutions had become voluntarily short of gold to the extent that it was threatening the stability of the financial system and it was obvious that something had to be done.”
Thomas Pascoe, July 10th 2012
Labour, under my leadership, will build a million new homes in five years
I read something like that too trisher.
Brandon Lewis, Housing Minister, has pledged to build 1 million new homes by 2020.
Oh, sorry, I am getting mixed up, he is a Tory and in Government!
Anyone in opposition can promise whatever they like. The thing is - can they deliver when in Government? We wait to see if the Tories will deliver, but will probably never get to see if Corbyn will deliver the 1 million new homes.
Promises, promises
[shrug]
How does one not exactly lie? Rather like being a little bit pregnant? And he said he wanted two seats together, nothing about his team , he lied
Jingle, is admitting one has been mistaken in thinking a person honest then finding it isn't so, fickle ? I disagree .
Changing your opinion of someone in the light of new information about them isn't being fickle, jingl
Being fickle is changing your allegiance from A to B because B is offering greater reward in some way.
I suppose you could argue that JC is no longer offering the reward of a Labour government, but most people might think he never did anyway.
ab you are a fickle lady. Not long ago, you loved him.
Well, I still think he didn't exactly lie. I think he needed to be with his team to discuss stuff, and they couldn't find seats together. So they sat on the floor. Then I think the train manager moved people to 1st class so that they could sit together. Not a good idea to deliberately put it out as spin though. But that wouldn't have been him doing that.
When I said how will any of it get into practice, I actually meant, if Labour do not get into power, most of what dj wrote will never see the light of day. So remains just words?
Damage they have caused? Not enough in my opinion comparing the damage his friends did to the party and he fought to get them back in to do even more.
If they do get mocked and boo`d they damn well deserve it, the damage these people have caused to the LP !!
Maybe the money could come from not renewing WMD`s for a start .
I admire your tenacity Durhamgem but I think you are, sadly, flogging a dead horse ! There are none so blind and all that .....
'are not saying'
Virgin have not saying that Corbyn wasn't lying though, have they? They aren't confirming that he had to sit on the floor because there were no available seats.
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