Traingate

A lot of people didnt think it was the truth MaizieD. Big difference.

And my personal gransnet mantra of two wrongs dont make a right speech.

Showing the truth and exposing fake means "undermine our democracy" to Mr McDonnell

still stands

Obieone the Labour Party was formed by people of principle, it is being destroyed by people who have no principles

Showing the truth and exposing fake means "undermine our democracy" to Mr McDonnell

Yet in another context 'showing the truth' was called Project Fear' and no-one seemed to think that a vote based on lies undermined democracy in the slightest. In fact it was claimed as a victory for democracy.

We are masters at applying double standards....

The principles. Think of the principles! It doesnt matter that they cant be enacted, as long as they are spoken about!

Mind you, I think I can be guilty of that as much as the next person.

I am utterly despairing for the homeless, the many living in poverty, so much suffering and it will get worse , I am not ashamed of the Labour Party, I am sickened by the wolves in sheep clothing who are determined to destroy the party and by the voters who would rather the one party which was born to help the poorest is destroyed than face the facts , the Labour Party is being destroyed by communists

There was a post last night which was offered as balance , 1,000 signatures praising a man who will destroy the lives of thousands . Balance ? Wonder how many are from momentum

whitewave - yes indeed.

Gets madder by the minute!! Quite baffling!!

Mr McDonnell claimed the billionaire wanted to "undermine our democracy" after Virgin trains released footage disputing Mr Corbyn's claims about overcrowding on one of its services.

Showing the truth and exposing fake means "undermine our democracy" to Mr McDonnell.

WW you speak for me, and many others too i know.

Blimey! what with one thing and another, her majesty's opposition party sounds raving mad! Not much more you can say!

thatbags thats why I cant join this thread. I am utterly despairing for the majority in this country who dont vote Tory.
There is no-one out there that is fit to be called an opposition, and i have nothing to say about the embarrassment that tries to take that role.

As an outside, I have lost track of who "Labour" is.
There are now two sides who are managing to suspend people from the other "side"?

Well said.

I thought this was a piss-taking thread about the right pickleswamp the Labour Party has got itself into. We (members, ex-members, supporters, non-supporters) don’t have to be all reverent and holy and defensive on here, y'know. You can ignore tickings off, ab.

I find the whole caboodle embarassing more than anything. I have to laugh and take the piss or I'd cry about it. I'm ashamed of the Labour Party at the moment.

t.co/ahg6aytgXr

Ronnie Draper's statement.

But it's not McDonnell who decides who is suspended or not.
Maybe they are just trying out Draper to see what happens. It could be McDonnell next for using that word.
Those who did it were trawling the net to find that word.
They suspend first, then see what happens, see if those suspend

Do you have links to what Draper said, Annie?
After all, you have said a lot against Labour party members on here.

That's a fair view but if Draper remains suspended maybe McDonnell has a point. However if Draper remains suspended will the Lord Sainsbury connection be dropped?

The connection I made earlier to Lord Sainsbury was in effect the same principle behind Labour suspending Draper and not Lord Sainsbury and the Labour Party suspending ordinary members who use the 'F' word as you reported and the fact McDonnell should be suspended in that case as he called his own MP's 'F----g useless'.

Double standards as you say.

McDonald should have said some party members , I am a party member and he is not speaking for me

I did hear Draper had verbally attacked certain Labour Party members on Twitter

What he actually wants, POGS, is for Draper to be reinstated, as he has been a Labour Party member for a long time, just like Anniebach.
You will see that if you read the whole article.
Displaying double standards means you want the same outcome for both parties, not the one that suits your specific take.

Durhamjen

labourlist.org/2016/08/labour-donor-lord-sainsbury-also-funded-lib-dems-as-part-of-eu-campaign/

'The update, published yesterday, prompted controversy with shadow Chancellor John McDonnell claiming Labour had displayed “double standards” after suspending the left-wing leader of the Bakers’ Union ' but not taking action against Sainsbury after he funded a rival party'.

I will stick with my post as I see McDonnell is saying Lord Sainsbury should be dealt with in the same manner as Draper, suspended.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/john-mcdonnell-accuses-labour-of-rigging-leadership-election-against-jeremy-corbyn_uk_57bf23b7e4b0ba22a4d3da3a

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to finish up with.

AH yes! (if you say so )

Jingle, surely you know I have a problem with spelling