Traingate

Does this Progress hold rallies? does it support one MP only?

Where does it say he received financial reward? He might have volunteered.
I was surprised to read the criticism of the Stop the War Coalition which I supported when we tried to stop the Iraq invasion, but if you are clutching at straws I suppose you have to throw in everything.
I think the problem with Owen Smith is partly the job he was doing for Pfizer, which included lobbying and overseeing a report on privatisation in the NHS (which he has attempted to distance himself from), and partly the lack of time that has passed since he was working for them.
There are unlikely to be lobbyists working in Parliament for Iran TV, there will certainly be Pfizer lobbyists working there, many of whom will have close social links to Smith.

Durhamjen 10.40

'POGS, where have I said Progress have called for the deselection of MP's?'

In your post 09.25 when you made a retort to rosesared post 08.51 regarding the deselection of MP's!

"I bet the decent MP who supports Corbyn and being 'threatened by Progress' wouldn't share share your feeling roses"

So what evidence is there this has happened?

Durhamjen you and a few others have mentioned on threads the fact Owen Smith worked for Pfizer in a way that intimates some kind of underhanded dealings. The fact he has been an employee and therefore receives financial reward I believe has been mentioned also.

What do you think of Corbyn receiving financial reward for working for the Iran State TV called 'PRESS T.V'.

'Presented a call-in programme on Press TV, a propaganda channel of the Iranian government which was banned by Ofcom and which regularly hosts Holocaust deniers;'

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-foreign-policy-antisemitism

An interesting read from the Guardian.

corbyn will not have to fight to get Galloway back this time , Momentum will do it for him perhaps. Galloway said in an interview he had discussed the train fiasco with Corbyn either the day it happened or the following day

voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/08/29/are-the-tories-abusing-their-power-with-review-of-constituency-boundaries/

This is why the Labour Party are likely to lose the next election.
It's written by the man that Annie described as bonkers.
Doesn't seem bonkers to me.

POGS, where have I said that Progress have called for the deselection of MPs?

Talking of George Galloway I mentioned earlier the ' Respect Party' founded by Galloway 'Voluntarily Deregistered' from the Electoral Commission on the 18th August 2016.

I am surprised how little coverage this has got, maybe it will soon when political programs get back in the swing of things.

Will he be allowed to do as he has said he wants to do and be allowed to rejoin Labour after he was expelled?. Watch this space re Mr Galloway.

Jen I always supported you putting links on untill you put on a link which was so ridiculous , I cannot recall the link to what and would look for it but there must be hundreds, I do remember Margaret Hodge was mocked in it, and your constant - Owen Jones says- . Then the link to that blogger who lives near me who is bonkers

f77, I criticise Corbyn for his campaign to bring trots back into the party, for letting the party down during the Brexit campaign - Jen insists I blame him for the out campaign winning which is rubbish - for sitting in silence whilst a fellow MP was bullied , for not distancing himself from Momentum and fighting his corner himself. For his reply when asked about women MP's us
being threatened - I have received threats too! was he threatened with rape?. For dodging reporters , for refusing to take part in tv debates, for constantly saying - I want a kinder politics but remaind silent when his henchman McDonald using the foulest language to attack labour MP's. For wailing about MP's not standing behind him but forgetting how many leaders he refused to support.

Angry? Perhaps , despairing? Definitely .

I base my decisions on experiences, listening, discussing , thinking things through , over fifty years of being a Labour Party activist and facing reality

Durhamjen

Where has Progress said they want to deselect MP's who support Corbyn whereas Momentum has called for the deselection of MP's who do not back Corbyn?

Actually I have only taken more interest in Progress since the inception of Momentum. I admit I find Momentum far more interesting to watch and learn about as it is a totally different breed. Indeed you and I posted about Momentum on a thread on GN when Momentum first started. If I am not mistaken you gave Momentum a mention and I asked who was behind it and where was the money coming from ( I will try and find the thread if I have time )

Progress has been an organization 'within' the Labour Party since 1996 (a ginger group) in support of New Labour. In 2014 Progress 'dropped' the connection to New Labour.

"Progress is an organisation of Labour party members which aims to promote a radical and progressive politics for the 21st century.

We seek to discuss, develop and advance the means to create a more free, equal and democratic Britain, which plays an active role in Europe and the wider world.

Diverse and inclusive, we work to improve the level and quality of debate both within the Labour party, and between the party and the wider progressive community.[4][5]"

Momentum is NOT an organization 'within' the Labour Party and was set up purely for the backing of Corbyn when he became Leader.

"Momentum exists to build on the energy and enthusiasm from the Jeremy Corbyn for Labour Leader campaign to increase participatory democracy, solidarity, and grassroots power and help Labour become the transformative governing party of the 21st century."

I never heard of Progress calling for deselection of MP's what evidence do you have this has happened as you have stated it has. Is it just one MP and may I ask who/she is please.

Progress aren't bloggers, by the way.
They are the rightwing equivalent of Momentum.
Corbyn talked to Progress at their annual convention because they invite the leader of the party.
Progress is a group of Labour MPs, funded by Lord Sainsbury and others, iincluding Peter Mandelson. They call themselves a New Labour think tank, but include many of the MPs you like, such as Alan Johnson and Tristram Huunt, so I am very surprised you do not know of them.
They go to the fringe of every Labour Party conference, and will be there this year, just like Momentum, so I expect you to complain about that as well.

What do you base your decisions on then Annie and what do you read to base your version of what is happening on? ? why do you never answer any questions put to you ? You say do not pigeonhole you but that is exactly what you do to anyone who disagrees with you , calling them names and generally being unpleasant referring to cults etc. You seem like a very angry person which I am sure you are not off this forum .. or will you blame Corbyn for that too, (well of course you will)

And I don't bother with Momentum, but you keep harping on about it as if I and others do.
You stop connecting me and others with Momentum and I'll stop connecting you with Progress.
Corbyn is no more a hypocrite than Owen Smith, the man who stood down from Corbyn's team because it was taking up more time than he wanted it to, and wanted to spend more time with his young family, but would continue to support Jeremy Corbyn.

'I have reluctantly decided that, with my young family it is best to stand down now so someone else can have a proper run at it.

“I continue to be a strong supporter of Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership and want to contribute to his and the Labour party’s success in the future.

"I am now discussing the details of how I can make a continuing contribution in providing support and advice to him, his team and the Labour party." '

His very words. Sorry I had to find out about it on a Politicshome website/blog.

These things do not just come to me in a flash of inspiration, like your insights. If they did, I'd be asked for proof of what I said.
I can, however, remember that you used to support me putting links on, not so long ago, before you changed your mind about Corbyn.

By the way Owen Smith's chief of operations in his campaign is John Lehal, who works for Pfizer.
That's more worrying for me.

Jen, I don't bother with the progress you keep harping on about, I don't bother with bloggers , I think for myself, rsther obvious surely? I supported Corbyn then learned of his hypocrisy so changed my mind, never have been a 'can I be in your gang' person.

So do not pigeonhole me , I make my own decisions , right or wrong st least I make them myself not by reading endless blogs

I bet the decent MP who supports Corbyn and is being threatened by Progress wouldn't share your feelings, roses.
As it is, MPs are being threatened by boundary changes being made by the Tory party, not by their party. Most of those are Labour in the North East and Wales.
Don't let that get in the way of a good rant. I told you Corbyn would be blamed.

Why do you always have to twist what everybody says, Annie, and try and pigeonhole everyone else?
You will not agree to being a supporter of Progress, but say anyone who supports Corbyn supports Momentum. Now you are saying the moderate left is a supporter of Galloway.

What sort of left is yours? Whose pigeonhole shall we put you in if not the Blairite rightwing Progress?
Pfizer used to fund Progress. I don't know if they still do.

No, Corbyn has never been a moderate MP but Blair and Brown tolerated his serial disloyalty.

"Just a few years ago it was clear – Serwotka and I were from different traditions in the left. We respected each other – that is what, in labour movement politics, you used to do with people you disagreed with. You defeated them but did not disrespect them – see Blair’s treatment of Corbyn and McDonnell and their serial disloyalty.
All that has changed – and those of us who still know that Labour has enemies to the left and vigilantly patrol the border are castigated for being Tories. In the eighties I, for one, was never opposed to ‘witch hunts’ – if you could see their broomstick and black cat then your enemy was fair game. It was grinding, tedious work but it was important. And the other guys put their hands up when they were caught. Now, it is as though – to paraphrase Toby Perkins – a bowls club with 100 members has been joined by 400 golfers who have decided to turn the bowling green into a putting green. Through the looking glass doesn’t even begin to describe it."

from John McTernan's article here

Serwotka is general secretary of the Public and Commercial Services Union and has been barred from voting in Labour leadership election. Twice.

Corbyn has never been a moderate MP, and nightowl dud you not say you support labour going back to the left , a moderate left like Galloway ?

Well best MP's are given understandabke reminders they could lose their seats come a general election , they may not know they are MP's from election to election

I bet the decent Labour MP's being threatened with de-selection from Corbynites don't share your feelings nightowl

nightowl, you saud it's understandable Corbyn supporters remind MP's, why is it understandable that they should do this reminding?

If an MP has worked hard for their constituency and is well respected - as I'm sure many moderate labour MPs are - then I don't see why they should fear deselection. But neither do I think any MP should assume they have a job for life

But if they support Corbyn they will be safe. No matter how non hard working or non respected they are.

Grow up roses

Interesting that mandatory reselection - which I know the LP no longer has - was the brainchild of Tony Benn, that benign elder statesman that we all know and respect. How soon they forget.

So they won't be sending the ( Momentum) boys round then?