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thatbags Tue 23-Aug-16 20:31:01

The silliest thing about the Corbyn "Traingate" fiasco is that before the railways were privatised, I often had to sit on the floor toing and froing between Preston and Edinburgh. Sometimes there was no buffet car. And the toilets were often disgusting.

I guess Corbyn didn't travel by train much back then hmm

However, the trains I travelled on usually had more space for luggage than current Virgin trains.

nightowl Tue 30-Aug-16 08:41:15

And just to avoid doubt, I mean your comment about threats, and not you personally. Same for rosesarered's mafia comment.

Anniebach Tue 30-Aug-16 08:40:52

thatbags, seems MP's should have understandable reminders because they have no trust in a weak leader, yet the same weak leader who fought to bring communists back into the party after they were banned because they had almost destroyed the party is a man of honour and honesty

Helps to understand the mindset of the Corcyn cult mrmbers

nightowl Tue 30-Aug-16 08:37:45

Ridiculous Annie

rosesarered Tue 30-Aug-16 08:36:30

Well, I blame him for the overall wet Summer!

Anniebach Tue 30-Aug-16 08:33:00

Jen, dear God , who is going to blame Corbyn for boundary changes, you seemed obsessed with the man.

This thread is rather weird, threats are now understandable reminders , and now the sulky , protective wail ' Corbyn will be blamed '

Anniebach Tue 30-Aug-16 08:26:01

So now it's understandable .Corbyn supporters 'remind' MP's , very iron fist in velvet glove . a threat has become an understandable reminder

rosesarered Tue 30-Aug-16 07:59:20

It may be a simple fact nightowl but the 'reminder' ( the Mafia go in for those) is also a simple threat.

Anya Tue 30-Aug-16 07:32:17

DJ your link, interrsting as it is, is not fact but just yet another person's opinion on the situation.

nightowl Tue 30-Aug-16 07:31:51

Annie I didn't say I thought anyone deserved to lose their seat. I said I think it is understandable that Corbyn supporters might remind MPs that they will all face a reselection battle when the boundary changes come into force. This is a simple fact. If an MP has worked hard for their constituency and is well respected - as I'm sure many moderate labour MPs are - then I don't see why they should fear deselection. But neither do I think any MP should assume they have a job for life.

Anya Tue 30-Aug-16 07:30:38

He would say that wouldn't he? IMO Len McCluskey is the reason behind this whole debacle when he started influencing the selection of Labour leaders.

thatbags Tue 30-Aug-16 07:03:02

According to the lights of the Corbyn team, Corbyn himself should have been deselected many a time for not supporting the party leader. And probably a few of his team too.

The fact that he/they were not shows the contrast between the Corbyn Intolerance Team and the Labour Party proper.

durhamjen Tue 30-Aug-16 00:14:56

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/08/29/labour-hit-hardest-boundary-changes-claims-of-gerrymandering_n_11757732.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

This isn't Corbyn's fault - even a Tory peer says so - but I'm sure he'll be blamed for it.
200 Labour seats affected by it.

durhamjen Mon 29-Aug-16 23:47:04

When the GMB asked for Progress to be outlawed, the response was
"We are a party that is reaching out to people, gaining new supporters and offering real change for the country in these tough times. The Labour Party is a broad church and we are not in the business of excluding people."
Labour leader Ed Miliband was also clearly in support, telling the Independent that “I believe in an open and inclusive party, reaching out to people, not for pushing people away. That certainly does not mean excluding or proscribing organisations like Progress which contribute to the debate."

In 2013, Len McCluskey, general secretary of Unite the Union, claimed Progress was manipulating the selection procedures for Labour parliamentary candidates to get its candidates selected. Progress responded: "Progress helps to train and mentor candidates going for selection, to whom we do not give money. The details are open, plainly explained on our website and approved by a strategy board elected by our members."

Strangely enough, it doesn't seem to apply to Momentum.

Progress was/is funded by Lord Sainsbury, who gave it £2 million out of its £3 million.

durhamjen Mon 29-Aug-16 23:37:24

POGS, I'm not bothered about Militant and Momentum.
They never made any difference the last time, and they won't this time.
How many members are there?
How many members of Progress, which never seems to get a mention, apart from by me?
Rightwing Blairite Progress have definitely infiltrated the Labour party. They don't seem to bother you. Why not?

durhamjen Mon 29-Aug-16 23:34:40

'Councillors are regularly investigated for not living in the area they represent. Last week Richard Smalley, formerly a Conservative member of Derby city council, was sentenced to two months in jail for falsely claiming to live in Derby.'

Just last week.

Anniebach Mon 29-Aug-16 23:19:51

But night owl if as you believe it's understandable for MP's who have worked hard for their constituency for years but did't support Corbyn as leader because they didn't want the party to go back to the far left deserve to lose their seat? When some labour MP's voted against Iraq they kept their seats , all these threats have only emerged in the party since Corbyn became leader .

rosesarered Mon 29-Aug-16 23:01:48

Sam Tarry (Momentum) is being investigated at the moment.He claimed to be a resident( with all that it entails) in Barking, and was duly appointed as a councillor there ( well paid) when in fact he lives with his wife who is a doctor, in Brighton ( reported in the Sunday papers) so if this allegation is true, he is a very iffy character that Corbyn would do well to steer clear of.

It says he rents out the flat in Barking to a woman who works in a trade union.
A conservative councillor did a similar thing the other year and got two months jail time, as it is fraud.

nightowl Mon 29-Aug-16 22:50:13

POGS in answer to your question, I do not like to hear of deselection used as a threat by anyone, but it is a reality if the government goes to term and the boundary review is carried out, resulting in a reduction in the number of MPs. In that case there will never inevitably be a reselection process and I think it is understandable, given the degree of hostility that has been shown to JC by his parliamentary colleagues that his supporters might now speak out to remind them of this fact.

Thank you for your kind words. They are very much appreciated and reciprocated.

Anniebach Mon 29-Aug-16 21:47:08

I don't accept any long time party has no opinion iof Militancy in the party , either one is against it or for it,

POGS Mon 29-Aug-16 21:20:33

Durhamjen 13.36

So you say you are ' not bothered'. I am presuming in response to my question re why do Corbyn supporters deny there could be so much as a whiff of the old Militant group involved in Momentum.

That could be the truthful answer, not bothered.

As for your question 'Are there any militant members on the NEC '. There is no such party now but as you know the Momentum candidates have done very well recently. The link is a good reply to the question as it mentions Progress too.

labourlist.org/2016/08/clean-sweep-for-pro-corbyn-left-wingers-in-nec-elections/

There have been many reports on the fact there are calls for the likes of the Socialist Party et am to

Ana Mon 29-Aug-16 21:03:11

Are you two about to make up? grin

At last, something you agree on!

Anniebach Mon 29-Aug-16 21:02:04

I too know what being mocked is like, fortunately not as a child , and like Prescott it has never stopped me from voicing my opinions . but it does take courage in my opinion

durhamjen Mon 29-Aug-16 20:51:53

speye.wordpress.com/2016/08/29/pay-more-to-stay-used-notes-brown-paper-bag/

How about this for housing policy, Jalima.

Jalima Mon 29-Aug-16 20:50:24

I am sure if I met him socially I would really like him!

Jalima Mon 29-Aug-16 20:49:48

sorry, I am an admirer of Pauline Prescott, she had to put up with a lot.
However, she stuck by him.