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Looks like it could soon be 'RIP the NHS'?

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AlieOxon Fri 26-Aug-16 12:27:43

Big cuts in prospect in the news and no consultation until the autumn....

durhamjen Wed 26-Oct-16 10:30:12

For people living in North Devon, your STP has been leaked.

nhap.us7.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=937c3e62bc24fa37708920cc9&id=45aefaee1d&e=814ede4ddc

durhamjen Wed 26-Oct-16 10:30:41

This is the one for Camden.

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durhamjen Wed 26-Oct-16 10:33:33

Birmingham and Solihull.

nhap.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=937c3e62bc24fa37708920cc9&id=2091bb8d6f&e=814ede4ddc

These are the only ones in the public domain at the moment, even though they are supposed to have consulted with us, the public, on them.

durhamjen Wed 26-Oct-16 10:40:37

www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/john-lister/councillors-must-look-before-they-leap-into-secret-nhs-cuts-plans

JessM Wed 26-Oct-16 11:52:16

Mail running story today implying maternity wards unsafe at night because consultants not there. Registrars are though, who do vast proportion of forceps etc etc. Another shock horror story designed to frighten patients rather than look at the evidence.
I note the blame is put on immigrants for having too many babies and not on Jeremy Hunt.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3872840/Don-t-NHS-baby-hours-Three-quarters-maternity-wards-no-consultant-duty-overnight.html

Ana Wed 26-Oct-16 11:59:53

The only reference I could find to immigrants in the article was this one sentence:

Labour wards are also under pressure because of high birth rates fuelled by migration.

I don't see that as 'putting the blame on immigrants for having too many babies'.

thatbags Wed 26-Oct-16 12:08:47

Without looking at the whole article, I would agree, ana. I've heard several times from several sources that the birth rate amongst UK immigrants is higher than amongst what one might call "long-term" Brits. If it's true it's simply a fact. It's not judgmental to mention facts.

Besides, it's not so very long ago that birth rates were much higher amongst long-term Brits. Immigrant birth rates will fall too in due course.

Elegran Wed 26-Oct-16 12:50:38

It is probably because they are relatively young, and are just settled into an environment where they have the opportunity to raise a family - just like in the UK just after WW2, when returning demobbed servicemen were re-united with their wives (or married their sweethearts after postponing while they were abroad) The birth rate shot up then, creating the original "baby boom"

durhamjen Wed 26-Oct-16 13:08:15

That sentence about immigrants was not in the Guardian article.

JessM Wed 26-Oct-16 13:16:38

Part of a long and concerted campaign by the Daily Mail to convince people that schools and hospitals are under pressure because of immigration, not because the Tories are incompetent - or possibly malicious in intent. All evidence would indicate that Hunt is probably the latter.
The slow dripping of poison is how fascist propaganda works. The Mail was at it in the 1930s re Jews and they are still at it now.
Please don't start protesting that I am getting at Daily Mail readers because I am not.

durhamjen Wed 26-Oct-16 14:58:54

How about looking at this instead, the revolving door of government ministers after they are promoted to the Lords.

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/10/nhs-price-fix-inquiry-after-andrew-lansley-took-job-advising-big-pharma-on-pricing/

durhamjen Fri 28-Oct-16 11:46:08

This is an interesting and depressing view of the Tory marketisation of the NHS.

labourlist.org/2016/10/spellar-the-tory-right-are-not-hostile-to-the-nhs-because-it-fails-but-because-it-works/

durhamjen Fri 28-Oct-16 15:56:31

you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/stop-the-plans-to-dismantle-our-nhs

There's a video on here about Jeremy Hunt saying that we will move forward to a plan like Kaiser Permanente.
Worth watching.

durhamjen Fri 28-Oct-16 20:07:20

The NHA has its first councillor. He was an independent and has now changed to the NHA. He's well known locally, so it will not upset those who voted for him, as he has always campaigned about the NHS.

This is not about him. It's about something very serious.

nhap.org/the-friday-surgery-22/

durhamjen Mon 31-Oct-16 13:34:10

Even Tory MPs know that May and Hunt are lying about the amount of money they say they give to the NHS.

labourlist.org/2016/10/labour-mps-round-on-misleading-may-over-social-care-crisis/

durhamjen Mon 31-Oct-16 13:35:00

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37801100

whitewave Mon 31-Oct-16 15:14:53

The Tories have been lying about the NHS since day 1 of Cameron and Osborne.

May has simply carried on, but her duplicitous behaviour is extending to all sorts of areas.

durhamjen Mon 31-Oct-16 18:00:41

Interesting stuff here, going back to 2010.

skwawkbox.org/2016/10/31/proof-govts-nhs-desperate-measures-planned-since-at-least-2010/

durhamjen Tue 01-Nov-16 21:54:43

There's some interesting stuff on here, particularly the maps showing the deficits in each area.

skwawkbox.org/2016/11/01/tory-smarm-offensive-cant-hide-real-cause-of-nhs-crisis/

durhamjen Wed 02-Nov-16 18:56:25

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jQPa9uTOSI

A film about the NHS by 38 degrees.

durhamjen Thu 03-Nov-16 21:12:30

Privatisation of the NHS. Private companies are seeing profits more than double because of the problems of NHS finance.

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/political/from-red-to-black-private-sector-profiting-as-nhs-crumbles/20033114.article

durhamjen Thu 10-Nov-16 17:00:18

Anyone live in Bath/North Somerset?

www.communitycare.co.uk/2016/11/09/virgin-care-set-run-social-work-service-unprecedented-deal/

durhamjen Sat 12-Nov-16 14:48:45

I couldn't believe this when I read it. How on earth could anyone think of doing this? Don't they realise they could kill people by doing this?

dwpexamination.wordpress.com/2016/11/11/vile-hackers-cripple-nhs-medical-machines-and-demand-ransom-to-get-them-back-running-express/

Lazigirl Wed 23-Nov-16 10:15:24

There are hundreds of events across the country this Saturday 26th Nov in support of NHS and asking government for more funding. Organised by the Labour Party. Let's fight to prevent it becoming "RIP the NHS".

daphnedill Wed 23-Nov-16 10:37:00

@thatbags (and others)

The birth rate for babies born to mothers born outside the UK has already begun to fall:

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/parentscountryofbirthenglandandwales/2015#overall-rise-in-births-driven-by-women-born-outside-the-uk