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Looks like it could soon be 'RIP the NHS'?

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AlieOxon Fri 26-Aug-16 12:27:43

Big cuts in prospect in the news and no consultation until the autumn....

daphnedill Thu 22-Sept-16 13:28:43

Just read the article.

My theory is that people trust May more than Corbyn to limit immigration. They blame immigrants for the NHS's woes, therefore they trust May more than Corbyn on the NHS. A strong opposition would destroy that argument.

MaizieD Thu 22-Sept-16 13:07:29

I thought this, in The Guardian this morning, was quite extraordinary:

Theresa May is more trusted than Jeremy Corbyn to tackle the most urgent problems in post-Brexit Britain, including safeguarding the NHS, according to a new poll seen exclusively by the Guardian.

The story was actually headed : Poll: May is more trusted than Corbyn on NHS
I note that it has a different header in the on-line version

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/22/theresa-may-more-trusted-than-jeremy-corbyn-britains-key-issues-poll

How, when the Conservatives appear to be hell bent on destroying the NHS ready for privatisation can people trust May over Corbyn? I can't help feeling that responses were based more on personalities than on the policies of either politicians' parties.

durhamjen Mon 19-Sept-16 20:24:57

It was the firstday today of the inquiry into Hunt's imposition of the junior doctors contract, and whether he acted illegally.

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/19/jeremy-hunt-acted-illegally-junior-doctors-contract-court-hears

durhamjen Sun 18-Sept-16 13:14:48

A practice in Banbury has handed back the contract.

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/hot-topics/stop-practice-closures/18000-practice-set-to-close-as-gp-partners-hand-back-contract/20032801.article

On the pulse today website there is a map of surgeries that could be affected by closures.

durhamjen Sat 17-Sept-16 14:02:36

nhaspace.com/2016/09/08/newspeak-and-the-nhs/

durhamjen Sat 17-Sept-16 11:34:29

I heard on the radio this morning that there was a list of 50 things that the British were proud of.
Don't know where it was from, but number 1 on the list was the NHS.

I felt quite pleased at that. Then I went to get my newspaper.
This was front page of the i.

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/health/doctaly-online-private-gp-appointment-service-expand-across-uk-2018/

That's not the NHS that we are proud of, surely, people who have money being able to jump the queue at the GPs.

durhamjen Fri 16-Sept-16 23:49:00

So what about the lack of A&Es, and the point that his spad did not know that private hospitals do not have A&Es?
That's the point of it, surely.
Are you bothered about the fact that in a couple of years many people will have to travel at least an hour to an A&E?

I would probably have died the weekend that NHSE came into being if that had been the option.

POGS Fri 16-Sept-16 23:22:50

That's a post I can at least respect Durhamjen.

If you or any other has to use black humour talking about the death of an individual to make a point then I don't think the point is ever made.

"Stevens had been knocked unconscious and the Health Secretary had a compound fracture of his thigh bone that was already bleeding heavily. He was semi-conscious and rambling.

Their conversation was interrupted by the single tone of the cardiac monitor.

"Looks like we're going to need a new health secretary.”

Reminds me of the idiots who thought it funny to mock the terrible death of the poor boy killed by the Polar Bear. Why do it, it seems to follow a certain 'group' of people like s--t on a stick.

durhamjen Fri 16-Sept-16 23:07:26

It's the sort of thing that is going to happen with only 44 TPs and A&E departments between 40 and 70.
I said earlier that if there was only one in my STP, it could quite easily mean people having to travel over an hour to an A&E. It means that already in Northumberland. Berwick or Haltwhistle to Cramlington will take over an hour in an ambulance.
They've already moved the air ambulance to Teesside.

No, it doesn't make me happy. What would make me happy would be if Hunt was sacked, and the government took notice of what they are doing to the NHS, before it's too late.
Cameron's legacy.
I wonder if he will get a job in a private healthcare company.

POGS Fri 16-Sept-16 22:56:13

Yes I did Durhamjen

I repeat if that's the sort of thing that makes you happy.

durhamjen Fri 16-Sept-16 22:49:03

You haven't looked at it, then.

On here is a whole raft of links to people who stand to gain from what's happening to the NHS.

www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/caroline-molloy/only-article-about-leadership-campaign-i-ll-write

I'm sure you won't look at that either, but somebody might be interested while we still have an NHS.

POGS Fri 16-Sept-16 22:29:52

If that's the sort of things that make you happy.

durhamjen Fri 16-Sept-16 20:54:02

So far this is just a story. About the death of Jeremy Hunt.

nhap.org/the-friday-surgery-19/

durhamjen Thu 15-Sept-16 23:59:50

There were seven crisis meetings about the NHS over the year. Jeremy Hunt never attended one of them.

www.indy100.com/article/jeremy-hunt-hasnt-attended-any-of-these-nhs-crisis-meetings-in-the-last-year-no-biggie-7308776

Junior doctors are enjoying this revelation.

durhamjen Thu 15-Sept-16 22:28:11

This shows a bit more about STPs and privatisation.
The idea of there being 44 footprints and only 40-70 A&Es is very worrying.
The Durham footprint goes from the River Tyne all the way down past Middlesborough to the North Yorkshire coast. I can't imagine that area with just one A&E.

nhap.org/17086-2/

durhamjen Tue 13-Sept-16 20:55:47

NHS England is responsible in the form of Simon Stevens, who ran United Health in the US, and wants NHS England to fail so United Health can make lots of money from NHS England.

daphnedill Mon 12-Sept-16 23:38:48

@dj It's because Vale of York is in special measures that NHS England can intervene. It can't intervene in the CCGs where this policy is already in place.

I suspect there's some politics going on here with the press release. If you look at the figures I posted before about the rate of hip and knee replacements in Vale of York compared with its arthritis rate, it's VERY high, although doctors think they're justified.

Presumably there will now be meetings. The doctors will say why the rate is justified and the CCG will put their case. NHS England will now have to decide and will be responsible for any decision. It's unlikely that Vale of York will receive any more money, so the choice is going to be continuing with the ops and/or boosting obesity/stop smoking support programmes or cutting back on other services. Whatever the outcome, savings are going to have to be made and NHS England will be responsible.

durhamjen Mon 12-Sept-16 23:13:01

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/09/11/the-end-of-life-as-we-know-it/

This is quite sad. I have never met in real life people who think like this, and I do not know what I would say to them if I did.

durhamjen Mon 12-Sept-16 20:00:18

Hope Cameron doesn't want to join the board of a private healthcare company.

durhamjen Mon 12-Sept-16 19:55:59

nhaspace.com/2016/09/11/how-badly-is-the-nhs-underfunded/

Some good information on here. Apparently if we wanted to catch up with the French, Germans, even Japanese on spending on the health service, we would need an extra £35 billion.
At least those at the top of the NHS spending have realised now what experts have been telling them all along. All they have to do now is persuade Theresa May.

durhamjen Fri 09-Sept-16 21:07:40

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/09/watch-sadiq-khan-makes-a-joke-about-jeremy-hunt-to-timeout-magazine/

durhamjen Fri 09-Sept-16 20:45:03

This puts a new light on the Vale of York situation.
They are in special measures. When they said they would put hip and knee operations off for obese people, NHS England actually intervened and told them to rethink it.

nhap.org/the-friday-surgery-18/

durhamjen Thu 08-Sept-16 14:28:03

www.standard.co.uk/news/health/we-re-fighting-for-patients-claim-junior-doctors-in-court-challenge-to-hunt-a3339791.html

Doctors going to court to stand up to Hunt and his contract.

JessM Sun 04-Sept-16 14:27:21

How can we ask our CLP to support anything if we are not allowed to have a meeting to discuss it? Conundrum. I predict a very stormy conference don't you?

durhamjen Sat 03-Sept-16 23:34:03

Anyone remember Harry Leslie Smith?
He's asking everyone to ask their CLP to support this resolution at the Labour conference.
It's about saving the NHS.

labournhslobby.wordpress.com/2016/08/28/harrysmith/