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The Stupidity of Charlie Hebdo

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jinglbellsfrocks Sat 03-Sept-16 22:59:31

latest 'cartoon'

obieone Sun 04-Sept-16 22:32:18

mocking means
making fun of....in a cruel way

so do you think it is not making fun
or not being cruel?
or perhaps both

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 04-Sept-16 22:30:39

It's mocking the people.

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 04-Sept-16 22:30:04

Oh it is mocking! "Cartoon" type of drawing has to be. It over emphasises people's imperfections. That's how they get their nefarious (IMO) laughs.

thatbags Sun 04-Sept-16 22:28:18

Or if it is mocking, it's mocking Italian food.

thatbags Sun 04-Sept-16 22:27:14

Why is it necessarily mocking? I don't think it is.

thatbags Sun 04-Sept-16 22:26:34

TBH, if a member of my family was that badly injured (which has happened, actually) or killed, I don't think I'd be concerning myself with some weirdo cartoonist's impressions. I'd have more important things to think about. So no, I wouldn't feel any more hurt than I was already feeling. And neither would the injured relative.

obieone Sun 04-Sept-16 22:25:58

It is pure mocking.

Of earthquake victims.

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 04-Sept-16 22:25:21

Don't answer. don't answer. don't answer!

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 04-Sept-16 22:24:42

Ok Bags. Who the fuck was Hieronymous Bosch? hmm

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 04-Sept-16 22:23:23

I don't specially want it banned. I just wonder, why? And how they could do it?

News pictures are a different thing altogether. This is poking fun. Not reporting.

daphnedill Sun 04-Sept-16 22:23:23

I don't know whether anybody remembers the 1980s jokes about the Ethiopian famine. You can Google some of them. They were quite popular at the time (particularly amongst school children) and I think this is the same kind of 'joke'. It's a play on words about different kinds of pasta, but (in my opinion at least) not the slightest bit satirical or funny.

thatbags Sun 04-Sept-16 22:21:38

They are not drawings of actual recognisable individuals, are they?

thatbags Sun 04-Sept-16 22:20:48

Or Hieronymous Bosch.

obieone Sun 04-Sept-16 22:20:34

But the point is they are hurtful.
Would you want a member of your family, depicted in that way?
Perhaps that is ok with you?

thatbags Sun 04-Sept-16 22:16:54

I don't get the Italian one because I don't know what the cartoon is getting at. We all know people get injured in earthquakes. Good cartoons have a 'back story'. This one just strikes me as a kind of reproduction of many of the kind of photos and film there is always a lot of when something like an earthquake happens. Nobody objects to the photos. They probably don't 'like' the photos but they don't want them banned.

Maybe that's the point.

Plus that images of the mess people are in after such disasters has made someone (the cartoonist) think of food images. If that's how someone thinks, it's just really weird in my view. No worse than some Salvador Dali paintings. Better ignored than banned.

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 04-Sept-16 22:10:22

I think Bags posted before she had looked at the cartoon.

I don't understand it. Their cartoons would normally have some sort of 'back story', but this is just plain nasty and cruel. There is nothing they are railing against. confused

obieone Sun 04-Sept-16 22:04:26

and mock[carries on from last post]

mcem Sun 04-Sept-16 22:03:15

Sorry bags crossed posts.
What I don't understand is that last post.
Someone disagrees with the majority so that means they'don't get it'?
Everyone doesn't have the same simplistic philosophy.
Surely that's self evident.

obieone Sun 04-Sept-16 22:02:42

I think their aim is to be very very hurtful.

Luckygirl Sun 04-Sept-16 22:00:07

Their aim is to shock. They paid a huge price for that before. Why are they doing this? Who benefits? What do they think they are doing? It all has a very adolescent feel about it and we should not take them seriously as a worthwhile publication.

obieone Sun 04-Sept-16 21:55:50

post to thatbags

obieone Sun 04-Sept-16 21:55:17

I just dont get why you dont get it like nearly everyone else does. Particularly as I generally agree with you.

If it is ok to ask, has something happened in your life, or in how you grew up, to contribute to the way you think about this?

mcem Sun 04-Sept-16 21:53:15

Check the op bags. Absolutely agree that it's quite wrong to expect all cartoons to be amusing - thereby missing the whole point of satire. However these are partcularly disturbing.

thatbags Sun 04-Sept-16 21:52:39

Paintings too.

thatbags Sun 04-Sept-16 21:52:16

But I also think some supposedly excellent literature is odd and revolting and disgusting and cruel too. And films. All sorts of stuff really. Why's everyone fixated one weird cartoons?