Brexit 3

And Farage is out of the picture now - I doubt whether Diane James will rub quite so many people up the wrong way.

Ana she's upset Neil Hamilton by 'deleting' him from the UKIP conference.

Oh good!

Well not a racist attack but unpleasant non the less.My father in law was mugged and badly roughed up walking down the Shambles in York one evening and what DJ do you propose we could / should do to prevent random and vicious attacks on people ? We would all love feel free from any risk of aggression or violence as we go about our lives but very sadly people have been attacked for being anything from a different ethnicity, nationality, religion,fashion sense ( thinking if the poor young girl beaten to a pulp in a park for dressing as a goth) ,disability,being at the receiving end of road rage or simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I totally agree with POGS blaming every attack on Brexit is verging on propaganda.I strongly maintain that had the vote been for Remain some far right extremists would equally have used that as an excuse .Not that vile yobs need an excuse.Fortunately the vast majority of people are kind and tolerant.

on a recent Dutch Satirical Radio show, I heard someone say that 'they have finally squatted the Mosquito'.
That sounds like a distorted statement!

I hadn't realised that the Netherlands had had a referendum and voted for the UK to leave the EU, I had thought that the UK had had a referendum and decided this themselves

And I had heard that people in the Netherlands were agitating for their own referendum to leave the EU.

I do not know what you are accusing Guy of perhaps you could clarify instead of using innuendo.
I think she is just saying that your friend Guy is not very nice.

He may be perfectly lovely to you and to his friends and family, but not kindly disposed towards the UK in general.

There are lots of people like that; Philip Green has lots of friends who presumably love him and his wife must love him too or she would waltz off with all the cash. It doesn't necessarily mean he is a nice man.

I hadn't noticed that squatted Jalima! Something or someone would certainly have to have been 'distorted' to achieve that!

Please remember which country he is from, this country and it's citizens suffered and fought more than many people on here will ever even imagine.
We are not stupid, we know history.
Some of us lost fathers and other relatives in the war too; we are aware that his country suffered grievously and we fought to liberate them, but he was not even born then, unlike some on here who remember.

I know someone else who always says squatted a mosquito instead of swatted!

I quite like it
However, it could bite you on the bum backside first

Sorry about your father-in-law, washerwoman. We use the law against people who do that.
The incident that felice was talking about was a racist attack. The man who did the attacking attacked a policeman on his stag night. He knew he was Scottish and told him to go back to Scotland, after saying something about immigrants.
Nobody should do it at all, but using race as a motive is worse in my opinion.
I don't know if his sentence was worse because it was racist, but hopefully he'll be off the streets for long enough for Brexit to be well under way before he comes out, and for EU migrants to know where they stand.

I do believe that whilst most people who voted to leave did so for good and valid reasons, the result has allowed some nasty people to think they can show their racism.
I unfriended people on FB after the referendum because of this kind of attitude. Also a Swiss friend of mine (with British citizenship) was told at work (in the NHS) by a colleague that she would have to go home now - the week after the referendum - my friend said, yes, it would be a great hardship to return to Switzerland!

So what about the opposite side to the coin Durhamjen , you and a few others only focus on one single minded avenue of thought and use it to promote your view on Brexit in any way possible to lay blame at the door of Brexit .

What do you say to the point raised. Scotland also has reported issues in the other direction against the English for a while.

I am not making waves about Scotland v England to mud sling or get at the Scots as I am mature enough to know those who use racist behaviour are as idiotic which ever side of the Border they live, which ever Town, City ,Country they live.

Well said POGS.The law was no good to my father in law DJ unfortunately as his attacker ran off ,leaving DFIL in a bloody heap,and was never caught. Didn't deter DD from studying and living there for 7 years .Still love the city and Yorkshire in general.But then there's mainly good folk in every Town,City and Country .

Sorry, POGS, I do not understand what you mean.

That's a shame.

Can you please explain?

I could not explain any better than you reading all the previous posts durhamjen so I guess it is just lost in translation to you.

So what about the opposite side to the coin Durhamjen , you and a few others only focus on one single minded avenue of thought and use it to promote your view on Brexit in any way possible to lay blame at the door of Brexit .

That's what I don't understand. What single minded avenue of thought?

Sorry DJ but I think you do know what single minded avenue of thought POGS means and I for one am glad she has called you on it.
Re-reading the article from the York Press after some sleep I query what you feel posting a link on this Brexit thread was meant to achieve..A 'thug' with 20 previous appearances ,a previous 20 weeks sentence, of no fixed abode and had been drinking all day attacks someone for having a Scottish accent.Utterly despicable .The same football hooligan,tribal mentality that sadly still exists in city centres.The reason why there's an increased police presence in Leeds when united play Milwall.Or in Glasgow when Celtic play Rangers.DDs boyfriend was stationed in Edinburgh with the Royal Engineers some years back, and even at 6'7"- and he's a real gentle giant who has time for everyone- was wary of nights out with friends because of the 'racist' antipathy from a very small,but very hostile minority.Indeed one colleague was attacked at a cash point and a reference to him being English made.That's the other side of the coin POGS refers to and we'll you know it.And that's not meant to provoke a Scotland v England debate,or sling any mud.But the implication of you posting that link is that the attack in York is directly attributable to the Brexit vote and that's what frustrates me.

Essex Police think that the murder of a Polish man and assault on two other Poles in Harlow was linked to the unleashing of racism as a result of Brexit.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-37374579

Just because other assaults aren't linked to Brexit doesn't mean that some aren't linked.

It is still making me sad that people on gransnet seem to be excusing racist attacks using the 'it's always happened' argument. I know I'll be accused of 'twisting words' by saying this but it's how I feel .

Whereas some people on Gransnet are all too willing to believe that any racist attack since the referendum must be down to Britain's vote to leave the EU.

Both attitudes are as bad as each other IMO.

No-one should be excusing a racist attack EVER but the reason for one is not always the same as the reason for another.

Blaming every attack on Brexit is a sign of obsession.

Blaming every attack on Brexit is a sign of obsession
You nailed it in one sentence there Elegran

I don't think anyone is excusing these attacks, I think people are just being realistic. Racist attacks have always happened the world over, and are not just the result of Brexit, although I'm sure that it has been used as an excuse for this awful behaviour, as have other events in the past. What to do about it and how to prevent it happening is a real problem, particularly as it can start in the home at an early age.
I do stand corrected about not running to Europe's rescue! Of course as members of NATO which I don't advocate leaving we would be under that obligation, but maybe not so willingly as in the past!!! However, we do have some lovely Dutch friends who certainly haven't allowed Brexit to come between us, and are very understanding of our reasons, so not everyone feels hostile. Instead of being so angry and insulting towards us,maybe the politicians of Europe should be asking themselves why some of us feel the way we do? Could there possibly be fault on both sides? Just a thought!!!