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Oh my dear God. Those children in Allepo!

(129 Posts)
jinglbellsfrocks Wed 07-Sep-16 22:07:38

It is just totally shit that we have an army and yet we are doing nothing.

Downright evil.

durhamjen Wed 07-Sep-16 22:48:41

The white helmets were there, jingl.
They do not want us to bomb them any more. What do you think our army should be doing?

Jalima Wed 07-Sep-16 22:53:45

and here they are, the 'great and the good' meeting with the perpetrator


The United Nations has a 'peacekeeping' "army" but it is about time the 'United Nations' united in stopping this genocide.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 07-Sep-16 22:59:24

I don't want to get in an argument about it jendurham.

It's wrong to let it happen and do nothing.

durhamjen Wed 07-Sep-16 23:16:23

You can't just say that, jingl.
What do you think should be done?

Support the White Helmets. They are in Aleppo on the ground.

They have asked us all to petition to stop Assad dropping barrel bombs.
So far they have twice as many signatures as the number of lives they have saved.
Donate to them so they have more money to save lives.
Donate to the Jo Cox appeal as they are one of her charities.

I think you can do more to let people know how you feel by doing that than just writing about how upset you feel on here.
This is how you can do something.

durhamjen Wed 07-Sep-16 23:21:39

nigglynellie Thu 08-Sep-16 07:05:48

Putting troops on the ground imo would be compete madness particularly with Russia's involvement. Stopping these waring factions from tearing each other apart would seem to be impossible. All we can do is support white helmets the best way we can.

Anya Thu 08-Sep-16 07:25:24

Please don't speak to jingl like that.

Like most of us she's appalled by this war and the effects it's having on ordinary people and the children in particular. We all feel so helpless.

Yes, we can and do support charities that work in the ground, but that's like putting a sticking plaster on a serious wound.

We want a political solution to this, preferably Assad stopped immediately, got rid off and tried for war crimes. It's about time the world, the UN, stood up to him and stopped being intimidated by Putin.

nigglynellie Thu 08-Sep-16 08:19:17

What and start WW111?!! I think you'll find Russia is up for that, and would overrun the weak Europeans without a seconds thought in less time than a UN debate!!. How on earth do you MAKE Assaad go without a murmur, FGS, do try and be realistic!

rosesarered Thu 08-Sep-16 08:21:22

We all feel appalled by it, all down to that swine Assad.However, a petition to stop the barrel bombs won't change anything.
It can only be resolved by regime change.

obieone Thu 08-Sep-16 08:22:01

petition to stop Assad!
Yeah right.

obieone Thu 08-Sep-16 08:24:31

People die while others think it is best to write to Assad.
Next time someone needs to ring 999, write to them instead

Anya Thu 08-Sep-16 09:21:50

There are more ways to stand up to Putin than by starting a war.

Anya Thu 08-Sep-16 09:22:53

Assad would be gone by now if he didn't have the backing of Russia.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 08-Sep-16 09:29:06

jendurham consider my OP a rant. Or a wail.

Thanks Anya.

Good post obi.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 08-Sep-16 09:34:32

Perhaps you can remind me why the West celebrated the capture and killings of those other tyrants out there. Did we just run out of steam when ww got round to Syria?

(that to dj)

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 08-Sep-16 09:34:56

we. not ww

dramatictessa Thu 08-Sep-16 09:38:40

FGS, are you really having a go at each other over this?

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 08-Sep-16 09:49:14

At least we're talking about it. It's been pushed to the back of minds too long.

nigglynellie Thu 08-Sep-16 10:02:41

Realistically, there is nothing the West can do about Syria in the short term, while Assaad has the 100% backing of Russia! Even if this were possible, what about IS? Do we invite them round to the UN a la Owen Smith and have a little chat with them to persuade them that their behaviour isn't very nice and could they please stop it? We're dealing with people who are monsters, on a par with Nazi Germany, and look what it took to overcome them?!! There is so much suffering in the world caused by vicious regimes, we can't oust them all, and put in place modern benign democracy's! How?!!! Sending in troops? Africa has its own peacekeepers who do their best, but are, if we're honest, pretty ineffective.
Economic sanctions against Russia?! We've tried that over Crimea and it blatantly doesn't work. Putin doesn't care about human suffering, his countrymen blame the west for any economic woes, well they would wouldn't they?!!!! Putin knows we're weak and quarrelsome, he got away with Crimea, and he'll get away with this because, bottom line, we including the Americans fear him.

Anya Thu 08-Sep-16 10:07:43

drama no-one's 'having a go' person stepped out of line and was politely reminded that this wasn't applicable on this thread. And the same, politely, applies again, now.

Anya Thu 08-Sep-16 10:20:24

The UN is United Nations and Da'esh is not a nation.

No, we've barely touched economic sanctions against Russia, and yes they can bite. If it is going to have an impact then it has to be planned and full on. Sadly that won't happen as too many are not prepared to face Russia cutting off fuel to the west. But Putin is not universally popular in Russia and he is having to impose more and more draconian measures on the populace to squash uprising and dissent. So far it's only the ideologists and radicals and politically aware who try to oppose him. But if the general populace are squeezed, and there's a return to the food shortages and deprivation of the 1990s then it would be a different story. Then watch them squeal.

Banning their athletes at the Olympics at least shows there is some things Putin cannot control.

I agree with much of what you say niggly but still hope that Putin can be emasculated in some way, and soon.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 08-Sep-16 10:22:32

Left it too late didn't we nigglynellie? Is it four or five years too late?

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 08-Sep-16 10:23:34

I know that doesn't help now.

Still ranting.

nigglynellie Thu 08-Sep-16 10:43:58

Assad was always going to be a much more difficult nut to crack and was completely underestimated by the dithering west! Russia has large Naval,and Airbase inside Syria which they will never willingly give up,so the regime has always had Russian backing one way or another. Yes Russia has been banned from the Paralympics but not completely from the Olympics! Public opinion may mutter in Russia but as has been said, draconian methods are used to quell any opposition so it's never going to go anywhere. No problem for Russia with refugees, understandably, so no pressure for them in that respect. Putin is laughing at us while we wallow in one crisis on top of another and is probably waiting for us to finally crawl to him for some sort of peace deal! Heaven only knows where it will all end!