LibDems win Council seat in Sheffield

Niggly, I think you meant forgive the inference, although interference would probably do just as well.

Annie knows I am not a militant. She knows I am not a member of momentum.
She just likes to pretend I am a member of the far left trotsky grouping as it suits her.
This time last year she was saying she was glad that Corbyn was elected, and he was elected by her as much as anyone else.

How can militant or momentum win?
How many members do they have?
I read today that the labour party are trying to expel momentum members.
Not quite sure how they can do that, as momentum aren't a party.
If they expel many more there will be nobody but you and your friends to vote.

When I said these people had been voted in, it was in Thursday byelections, the same day that daphne thought fit to report that Labour had lost the Tupton by election.
The only ones deemed worth reporting about were the ones which Labour lost. I am surprised you are so gullible and easily taken in by the papers.

Thank you too ab. I understand your comments perfectly, and I do have a sympathy with your views; Just a more Theresa May approach, and there unfortunately I think we would have to differ, but hopefully amicably.

Eleothan, think about it do, the lib dem candidate was speaking about her oposition , it's what candidates do , knock their opponents

Thank you niggle, I think your question was civil and I understood why you asked. In my opinion anyone who can find excuses for the faults of Corbyn such as the train without empty seats or the list attacking MP's in his own party is a supporter of the far left . I could not support the likes of George Galloway or McDonald or Peter Taffe , close friends of Corbyn .i believe Jen holds the same socialist values as I do, difference is I cannot support the jam tomorrow campaign when people are hungry today

I'm not painting anyone one way or another, why on earth would I. What the Labour party is or isn't, what its members are or are not is of no particular interest to me, I merely asked ab if, as dj seems so defensive of all things pertaining to JC, whether in fact she might be a disciple? A perfectly civil genuine question. ab (it was to her I was talking) replied with a perfectly civil informative answer.

You keep saying you are "to the left" whereas other people, durhamjen included, are "to the far left". I know on previous occasions when you have been asked, you were unwilling to define the difference between these two definitions, but if you wish to make such distinctions I think you should be prepared to explain what you mean.

It is a fine thing, isn't it, when the Anyone but Corbyn group celebrates a Labour loss - particularly when the candidate who lost was known to be be anti-Corbyn. Even Gail Smith, who won the seat for the Lib Dems, was reported on the Sheffield Star website as saying:

“My Lib Dems team and I have spent the last 10 weeks working seven days a week in Mosborough, knocking on just about every door, and I can tell you Jeremy Corbyn was more popular than Angela Smith [an anti-Corbyn MP] wants to admit. I certainly do not agree that [Corbyn's unpopularity] is why I won. Most people told us that they never saw Labour, only at election time and they felt taken for granted...... Corbyn is not as unpopular as they would like you to think. They need to look very closely at their own leadership in Sheffield.”

I disagree Eleothan, not all militants fit your definition . Socialist values have not changed , what use to the vunerable are a far left oposition party stuck on the oposition benches for years. I have never lost my socialist values but I know the country will not vote for a fsr left government. For me a far left party who cannot gain power promising two million social houses and a centre party winning and building one million is something I know I have to accept . Labour moved to the far left in 1983 and this was followed by fourteen years without a voice. Then the party moved towards the centre and won three general elections . And I cannot forget those years in the eighties when Corbyn was leading a campaign to bring trots back into the party and yet he goes on and on about all the MP's getting behind him. Do I I say not as I do

Well, perhaps not all of them...

nigglynellie Having identified yourself previously as a Conservative supporter and voter, it is to be expected that you will try to paint people who support a return to socialist values as "militants". Given that the definition of "militant" is "aggressive, violent, belligerent, bellicose, combative, etc. etc.", I think it is beyond fair comment to suggest that durhamjen fits this description.

I am aware of that niggle , Jen and I are a very good example of the problems in the Labour Party . I am to the left but accept we have to win votes from the centre , Jen is content to stick to the far left and support Corbyn and MacDonald before the party .

The Labour Party has never tried to get shot of a leader untill Corbyn and this because the labour MP's who cannot support him know the damage the party moving to the far left will do. Plus he is not a strong leader .

ab. Forgive the interference, but perhaps dj IS a militant? I'm sure that thought has occurred to you so I'm probably jumping the gun, but just thought I'd mention it!

I remember when Derek Hatton was leader of Liverpool council so if a labour win means a militant has won, no I am not pleased , it's a nail in the coffin for the lsbour party

Jen, you just don't get it do you? I fear the militants taking over, you do not

In September Jen ? I am always pleased with a Labour win, but not if momentum have been pulling the strings

Labour won byelections in Blakelaw, Newcastle, and Castle ward, Carlisle.
They have also won the Mayor of Hackney, with 69% of the vote.

Are you pleased about that, Annie?

I really believe they will make gains when we have a general election, all we hear is labour has increased it's membership but the Corbyn devotees do not think who the voters who are not party members will vote, deselect good labour MP's, replace them with militants and end of the Labour Party

The LibDems have just won another by-election:

Tupton (North East Derbyshire) result:
LDEM: 38.3% (+38.3)
LAB: 34.7% (-32.4)
CON: 17.5% (-15.4)
UKIP: 8.9% (+8.9)
BPP: 0.7% (+0.7)

Who did make the list? Who released it?

He didn't, Annie. I think somebody needs to grow up, but it's not Corbyn.

If every party leader had the time Corbyn has to make lists of those who said anything which wasn't flattering sbout him parliment would come to s halt , he needs to grow up

As for the woman who flattered Corbyn, another baroness ?

I've just worked out the relationship and it's exactly the same as my grandchildren to their grandad's brother's wife.
When my grandson next asks, shall I tell him that the woman who is proud to be his great aunt isn't really?
He is quite interested in relationships.

Why would Corbyn add her to his list? She said that Corbyn had had a huge election win.
She was obviously purged for saying something good about Corbyn.
Apart from which, it wasn't Corbyn's list. Corbyn has other things to do than make lists like that. It was a list of MPs who had said something against Corbyn.

Do great nephews have to be blood relatives? If you only count direct descendants, all family trees are going to have to be very limited. Mine's a roll of wallpaper and that's without the Danish family on it.

I am a descendant of the brother of the mother of John Bowes of the Bowes Museum which makes me related by marriage to the queen. Apparently that makes me indirectly related to Robert Bruce. My husband was descended from border reivers, so his family probably stole livestock from mine, so his father used to say.
I still consider myself to be a true socialist. Never met the queen.

I see nothing wrong with him saying he was related to Attlee to show his socialist credentials.

Strictly speaking, he's not a great nephew, although it's confusing when relatives by marriage, etc are included.

As I mentioned before, I am a direct descendant of somebody who married Captain James Cook's wife's sister, but that doesn't make him an ancestor of mine.

My point is that he needs to mention any link in the first place to make his point valid. Of course, it makes for better headlines.

John MacDonald was not related by blood to Attlee. He was a child when Attlee died, so wouldn't have known him that well. His grandmother was Attlee's wife's sister, who married an admiral. There is quite a bit written about this admiral, including a lengthy obituary. I would be amazed, if he had a socialist bone in his body.

I have no idea whether John MacDonald is a 'true' socialist. I have no reason to believe he isn't, but by claiming that he's Attlee's great nephew, presumably to make his case seem more shocking, he's opened up his family background to scrutiny.

Attlee himself came from an upper middle class family and went to public school and Oxford. He had been an officer in WW1. There's nothing wrong with that, which is why I find it hypocritical when people go on about people's backgrounds and seem to think all Labour politicians should have a working class background.

Let's hope Corbyn doesn't add her to his list of his alleged abusers,

A few more people purged on here for no good reason.

tompride.wordpress.com/2016/09/15/labour-party-purges-grandmother-for-saying-mps-like-to-look-after-number-1/

Daphne, about MacDonald.
My husband's brother's wife says she is my grandaughters' great aunt. Is she, or is she not, because that's what we have always thought.
If she is not their great aunt, then she is not my sons' aunt.
If my grandaughter marries, is she not my granddaughter's husband's great aunt? Therefore is he not her great nephew by marriage?
That seems to me to be the relationship of MacDonald to Attlee.