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Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party

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POGS Mon 19-Sept-16 21:58:40

Well that was interesting. I should say Panarama was also enlightening but not as forceful and uncompromisingly direct in it's reporting content as Dispatches.

I'm not going to simply post on the Lib Dem Thread which has turned into a Labour Thread as I think this programme summed up exactly what I have thought and have been posting since the formation of Momentum , it is a ' Party within a Party.'

I will say now to those who will see it as propaganda and take umbrage at my post you cannot argue with what you see and hear from the horses mouth, no matter how hard you might try and no doubt will.

The fact Momentum are doing all they can to play down the Momentum name in connection to the ' Jeremy for Labour ' Campaign , the use of the Unite Union office are significant, the way the reporter was paid is serious stuff and I hope there is further investigation into that. Will anybody take it up I wonder?.

Has anybody 'Cicked' on the ' Jeremy for Labour ' Campaign or answered questions on the phone in connection with it. The reason I ask is if you have you are, as I understood it, on the data base on the Jeremy For Labour Services?. Listen to what is said about it , you may not be too happy, or maybe you will of course.

There is to be fair a Momentum explanation and statement at the end of the programme but it is worth viewing to make your own mind up if you didn't catch it.

durhamjen Sat 24-Sept-16 23:24:54

New members joining because of Corbyn winning.

Ana Sat 24-Sept-16 22:29:10

durhamjen I know what you said. And I replied to it.

The fact that you couldn't understand my post is not my fault - as I say, euphoria must still have you in its grip. Anyone who thinks Labour would win a May election (called by Theresa May, of course) must be delusional.

Clear enough for you?

durhamjen Sat 24-Sept-16 22:24:40

No, Annie, the membership needs to unite behind Corbyn.
Over 60% of them have; what about you?

durhamjen Sat 24-Sept-16 22:23:27

Stop being silly, Ana. I know you like to contradict everything I say but you are confusing yourself now.

I said that the bookies think May will call an election next May, simply because she will think the Labour party can't win.
There's no leader election euphoria.

Anniebach Sat 24-Sept-16 22:21:49

Only Corbyn can unite the party and he has no wish to

trisher Sat 24-Sept-16 22:16:49

Wipe the slate clean Anniebach and start to unite the party you say you love. As you believe in democracy you now need to accept the decision and begin to post things about the policies and not individuals.

Ana Sat 24-Sept-16 22:06:39

Yes, that was what I meant by leader election euphoria - that anyone who thought Labour stood a cat in hell's chance of winning a GE next May must be delusional.

Ana Sat 24-Sept-16 22:04:43

Did I say the Labour party would call an election? confused Did you actually read my post properly or is the euphoria still affecting you...?

durhamjen Sat 24-Sept-16 21:59:44

That's why they think May might call an election, Ana.
Not the Labour party, the bookies. The Labour party don't call an election, Ana, in case you haven't realised. It's Theresa May that calls it.

I wonder how many people who'd had their membership taken away from them had tickets for that hall.

obieone Sat 24-Sept-16 21:51:50

There are more besides durhamjen?

obieone Sat 24-Sept-16 21:50:58

Only durhamjen has said that she thought he could win an election in 2020.

I cant see that there are many Corbyn voters who wont support him if he loses after 2020.

I was astounded to realise about 6 months ago, that policies trump opposing tory policies, no matter how bad they may be, and how much Corbyn voters protest about the NHS, education, war, etc. Everything.

Anniebach Sat 24-Sept-16 21:30:18

Yes Ana some do believe it and some would rather lose the election And keep Corbyn as leader,

Ana Sat 24-Sept-16 21:22:58

Surely no one can possibly imagine that Labour might have the slightest chance of winning a general election next May? Must be some sort of leader election euphoria...

whitewave Sat 24-Sept-16 21:05:03

Given that members voted 2 to 1 for Corbyn the half empty Hall was not significant.

durhamjen Sat 24-Sept-16 21:01:55

So you are going to continue sniping rather than support him, are you, Annie?

durhamjen Sat 24-Sept-16 20:43:54

It will be interesting to see when she calls the election to give her a mandate. The odds are on next May.

Anniebach Sat 24-Sept-16 20:42:51

Having attended many conferences and watching the rest in tv it was sad to see a half empty hall at conference today

whitewave Sat 24-Sept-16 20:04:44

Not necessarily rose if Corbyn can bring about a fundamental change that would be brilliant and one I for one would be grateful for that.

What he lacks is the type of recognisable charisma that unfortunately seems to be a prerequisite , although I admit TM certainly can't be accused of having charisma, but her path to leadership was an oddity.

rosesarered Sat 24-Sept-16 19:55:32

But that means Labour being out of power for at least 9 years.

rosesarered Sat 24-Sept-16 19:54:10

Tbh I think that is his entire mission, and that he has no real hope of ever being PM and maybe no desire for it either.

whitewave Sat 24-Sept-16 19:39:32

To answer your question rose haven't a clue. A week is a long time in politics! I expect the politicians that I support to follow the mandate for which I voted. I know the type of society in which I would like to live and in which I would like my children/grandchildren to grow up in. I therefore support the person who is most likely to deliver that type of society.

No one is under any illusion that Corbyn doesn't have an uphill struggle with the entire establishment against him, but at the minimum I am hoping that he will change the Labour Party from being Tory lite, where they accepted so much of the Tory agenda to one that I can recognise as a true alternative and opposition one which gives a fairer more equal society. He may not see the Labour Party into the next election but as sure as hell I am hoping that he can ensure change in the LP

Anniebach Sat 24-Sept-16 19:17:08

When he loses the general election stand by for the loss to be attatched to Blair

rosesarered Sat 24-Sept-16 19:16:49

That will be an interesting time (2020) if we are all still here.grin

rosesarered Sat 24-Sept-16 19:16:01

I suspect a lot of Labour voters will defect to UKIP

rosesarered Sat 24-Sept-16 19:15:05

I guess the question is.....will you Corbyn supporters STILL support him when/if he loses the next General Election?