Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party

f77, Laura Kuennsberg is still trying her hardest to annoy him, and it's not working.

You criticise Corbyn for still taking his salary.
Forgive me for being cynical when you support this man.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/21/tony-blair-business-rage-labour

What a fantastic result today and even after 1/4 of People who would have voted for Corbyn were purged as part of the Coup . The attempted smearing of the Leader did nothing except make even more people vote for him , I bet they are kicking themselves lol

It wouldn't have done the party any good if Corbyn had left the party. It would have just left Blair to walk over the party even more.
I had another party to vote for, the Green Party, which fitted with my socialist principles just as well.

Did you feel happy voting for someone who wanted to destroy the NHS? Did you feel happy voting for the party that brought in university fees, despite all of them getting free university education?

Being right wing Labour as you are, it would probably be better for the party if you did walk away now, and let the Labour party get back to its socialist principles.
Why do you want to stay in a party that obviously doesn't suit you any more?

There is nothing wrong with any MP sitting on the backbenches and voting according to his conscience. What shouldn't happen is someone giving interviews to the press undermining the party leader. As for why we remember Blair the legacy of his illegal war still echoes in the Middle East. It is unlikely that Corbyn will leave such devastation behind him.

They keep saying it's Corbyn splitting the party, but they will not be able to from now on. Any split, and it'll definitely be the right of the party that causes it.

An interesting statistic.
Smith got more votes than Ed Miliband did six years ago.
Just shows the power of Corbyn.
He got nearly as many as the two of them together.

Yes, all that terrible pragmatism, replacing your pure socialism - and yet your hero Corbyn didn't resign from the party did he? He didn't give up his salary and expenses, did he? He didn't bother about unity or supporting his leadership, did he?

That's fine - I have more respect for him for staying 15 years to fight for his beliefs, than if he had walked away.

But you cannot have your cake and eat it. If it was ok for Corbyn to do that then - then it is ok for Labour members and MPs - those who think he is incompetent and his hard left, unelectable, backers are wrong - to do the same now.

I am sure that in 10 years time I will still be as obsessed with (what I perceive to be) the 'pretence' of Corbyn, as you and others like you have been with Blair for the last 10 years. In the meantime I think my time is better spent working with people who are open to persuasion that he needs to go, so I am going to bow out of this thread now.

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Yes I agree with that dj. But at the same time if they can't support Corbyn and the policies for which he got voted in then it is time for the parting of the ways as the right is simply a pain in the butt and a distraction from the business if opposition.

I prefer socialism to pragmatism, Millbrook.

Pragmatism was continuing the privatisation of the NHS.
Pragmatism was bringing in student fees.
Pragmatism was PFI.
Pragmatism was lying to the public and parliament about Iraq.

I could go on. Give me Corbyn's Labour party any day as opposed to the pretence of Blair.

My parents were Tory all their lives. They voted for Blair.
Some friends were liberals. They voted for Blair. All things to all men is not socialism.

If Labour right do not get together with the left and support Corbyn, I'll stay with Corbyn. Labour right are not the party, as has just been proven by this vote.

If this idea of a broad church coalition took off with a fusion of lib Dems greens and labour left with the right wing of the LP continuing to pursue Tory lite policies, and forming its own party, which one would the Labour, Greens and lib Dems grans go with?

I would definately go with the fusion as I think the Labour Left has more in common with lib Dems and greens than it does the right wing.

durhamjen I don't tend to quit when my rosy view of how the world should be is upset by real life pragmatism. I just fight harder for the people who don't have the same good fortune as I do, and can't afford the luxury of walking away.

I'll carry on doing that, and being a LP member, in spite of Corbyn.

Excellent idea, whitewave. I have a feeling Millbrook will go with them.

I was a member 30 years ago, Millbrook.
Disillusioned with Blair and left. Obviously you were taken in by him. Never mind.

Brilliant story in the Mirror, about a train seat and Jeremy Corbyn.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-ram-packed-virgin-8901399

yes councillor.

They -Labour first and Progress can go off to the Labour/Tory lite party, then we wouldn't have to worry about the sort of right wing policies they are pushing and the rest of us can form up with a broad church left wing coalition and run at the next election.

durhamjen 30 years.

nightowl You're entitled to think I am being crass. And I think your idea that those various election victories are anything at all to do with Corbyn's leadership or policies is naive and shows a lack of understanding of how local politics works.

Let's hope we're all in a position to help our grandchildren in the future, because best betting odds for a non Tory Govt are now for it to be in 16 years time.

Councillor?

So long as you avoid Labour First and Progress. If Momentum is a party within a party, what are they?

Labour First has already sent a message to its supporters to carry on opposing Corbyn.

nightowl and me!!! It has been talked about by the Greens certainly and I am sure mentioned by the Lib Dems and clearly members of the labour left are beginning to look at the idea.

I am interested because at the moment the 60% vote is divided and so difficult into join the opposition, but I reckon this would definitely be worth pursuing.

My son works with a Green council or who apparently is always talking about the idea.

This is what Patrick McLoughlin said, the Tory party chairman.

While Labour row amongst themselves, this Conservative government will continue to deliver a country that works for everyone, not just the privileged few.

He lives in a different universe as well, if he thinks that.

Just had an email from a friend on holiday in France with her 85 year old mum. They are all so pleased at the result and have named the local win Corbyn in honour. So every night they are happy to drink Corbyns health!!!!

Still think it's a crass comparison Millbrook. Perhaps if the right wing of the Labour Party would support their (twice) democratically elected leader labour might be able to mount a real opposition to the government. Although they haven't done too badly so far in terms of by elections, mayoral elections, moderating government policy etc etc.

That's a really interesting proposal whitewave, and I'd be interested in hearing more about it.

Have you been a LP member long, Millbrook?

The programme not what was said by a member of the public

Yes durhamjen I'm a LP member.

Interestingly annie I asked my son about the Brighton meeting and whether he was aware of the evil momentum and their ability to sway the attendees. He laughed, and simply said what a lot of rubbish is talked by the media. That was it wasn't even worth a discussion.