Rubbish as usual, one persons opinion. Smith knew exactly what he was doing, certainly no idiot, just an MP who cares about the party surviving . Anyone who views Smith as a sacrificial lamb offered up by Blairites - blairites must mentioned - knows nothing of the workings of a political battle . Pathetic link sorry
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Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party
(513 Posts)Well that was interesting. I should say Panarama was also enlightening but not as forceful and uncompromisingly direct in it's reporting content as Dispatches.
I'm not going to simply post on the Lib Dem Thread which has turned into a Labour Thread as I think this programme summed up exactly what I have thought and have been posting since the formation of Momentum , it is a ' Party within a Party.'
I will say now to those who will see it as propaganda and take umbrage at my post you cannot argue with what you see and hear from the horses mouth, no matter how hard you might try and no doubt will.
The fact Momentum are doing all they can to play down the Momentum name in connection to the ' Jeremy for Labour ' Campaign , the use of the Unite Union office are significant, the way the reporter was paid is serious stuff and I hope there is further investigation into that. Will anybody take it up I wonder?.
Has anybody 'Cicked' on the ' Jeremy for Labour ' Campaign or answered questions on the phone in connection with it. The reason I ask is if you have you are, as I understood it, on the data base on the Jeremy For Labour Services?. Listen to what is said about it , you may not be too happy, or maybe you will of course.
There is to be fair a Momentum explanation and statement at the end of the programme but it is worth viewing to make your own mind up if you didn't catch it.
By the way, John Pienaar's daughter is on Smith's team.
evolvepolitics.com/winning-not-point-labour-right-winger-reveals-owen-smith-just-blairites-useful-idiot/
Nearly makes me feel sorry for Owen Smith.
I wonder what Unite members feel about Momentum using office space in a building that their subscriptions are paying for. I'd like to think that they are giving Mclusky (sp) a piece of their mind.
Still awaiting your opinion on the Dispstches programme Jen,
Does this mean Corbyns close friend McDonald will no longer call labour MP's f*****g losers, or Len McClusky will no longer say some labour MP's deserve to be deselected
I consider telling lies to be lacking respect so Corbyn will not try the train stunt again?
Three council members are out and this is a bad thing for the party? Wonder what Corbynite devotees will say when labour loses many seats st the next general election,
It is not true that sny party member has their membership taken away because they openly eupport Corbyn, it's momentum lies. Any Labour Party member with communist , militant links or who are abusive will have their membership removed.
Let's stick to the truth not momentum speak. How come the new members who joined because they are corbynites are still members.
It's not new members who will have to sign up to not abusing anyone online
My quote was from the Independent, so they must have got it wrong.
Did anyone else see the interview on BBC news24 between Huw Edwards and Ken Loach?
I thought it was excellent and so respectful. A much needed balance to Laura Kuennsberg's interview of Corbyn.
But Corbyn never changes his views and beliefs ,
But he gets slated all the time for never changing his mind. Surely it's a good thing if he does.
Angela Eagle did not get a brick through the window of her office. Her office was nowhere near the window that was broken, and there was no sign on the building that it was her office.
It's not new members who will have to sign up to not abusing anyone online. It's all members, even those who have been members for 40 or 50 years.
That's a good thing as well.
It's not all onesided.
Three members of Bristol Council have had their membership taken away from them for openly supporting Corbyn.
This means that the Labour Party no longer runs Bristol Council.
I hope Labour party members realise that that is a bad thing for the Labour Party.
Yes that was 30 or 40 years ago. Wow! you mean he changed his mind. How dare he!!!!
Did anyone see channel 4 news where Micheal Crick dug out old footage of JC stating that MPs should choose the shadow cabinet.
I haven't been on the politcal threads for a while but see that you are no longer a fan of Corbyn Annie and understand why. The thrust of the article in the ES with Ruth Smeeth was that she feels threatened by Momentum, as I imagine Angela Eagle was when she received the brick through the window of I believe her local parliamentary office.
Ana all this was unheard if before Corbyn became leader, we are executed to believe momentum in involved, yet there was no momentum before Corbyn stood for leader.
It is quite amazing the lengths people will go in life to try and dismiss the obvious. I shall never cease to be impressed.
^New Labour members will be required to sign a pledge promising not to abuse anyone online or face being kicked out of the party.
The tougher stance on internet behaviour was agreed by Labour’s National Executive Committee (NEC) after centrist MPs protested about a torrent of abuse from supporters of Jeremy Corbyn.^
Ruth Smeeth, not Smee BTW, has said she'll be taking a 'minder' with her to the party conference. What are things coming to?
If the police investigation proves these two people are the ones who abused Ruth Smee, and it is found that they have nothing to do with Momentum, what will your response be Annie? If they are members of Momentum, then I hope they will be thrown out of the group, and not allowed to be Labour Party members in the future. And, fyi, I am a supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, but have completely ignored Momentum. I have received a couple of emails from them, but unsubscribed very early on. I made my decision based on what I see of the two candidates, and if there had been other candidates, I may well have supported someone else.
Terri, you will find posts here from supporters of Corbyn - therefore supporters of momentum because they cannot be seperated - claim there is no proof the vile threats are from momentum groupies
I've been reading yesterday's freebie Evening Standard in which there is an interview with Labour MP Ruth Smeeth, who was not a name I was aware of until now. I am truly shocked to read the level of abuse this poor woman has been receiving. I didn't realise that she was the MP who walked out of the Chakrabati report after being harrassed by a member of Momentum. I quote from the article since then she has been called a "yid, c***(amonng other racial slurs) a CIA/MI5/Mossad Informant" a dyke and a f***ing traitor". In all she's experienced 25,000 incidents of abuse, much of it racial. As a result two people are being investigated by counter terrorism police - one of whom penned a 1,000 word essay on how he would kill her. How is it possible people can carry such hate around because presumably a) they disagree with her point of view and b) simply for being Jewish. Ms Smeeth describes herself as culturally Jewish, but doesn't talk about Israel and Palestine, her husband is Irish Catholic. I remember reading about Angela Eagle getting a brick through her window before she withdrew from standing as a candidate for leader and again being pilloried for her sexuality and I wonder therefore how the Momentum group could consider themselves to be at the fore of progressive politics if that is how they treat a prospective female leader.
Corbyn will win the leadership , Momentum has arranged it.
The division in the party will deepen because Corbyn wants it to , he will do all he can to drive out true Labour MP's
Owen Smith will be deselected .
Some labour MP's will retire .
Trots, communists and militants will take over the party
Labour will not win the next election.
Ruth Smee has to have police protection to attend the conference next week . This is the result of Corbyns democracy values
Anniebach
The NEC is becoming , has become a contentious issue in it's own right .
Nothing is working in Labour it is Corbyn allies against the Parliamentary Labour Party inside Westminster and outside on the periphery of the Party Workings.
The 'battle' for control is favourable to Corbyn and his group/team from Momentum , whom there seems to be a lack of understanding by some people was set up purely for the support of Corbyn the individual and his political stance whether that was in agreement with the democratically voted on labour Party policies or not, Trident being a good example.
Corbyn ' WILL WIN ' the vote I have no doubt but will Labour as a Party win outside of the grass roots/Momentum movement at a General Election. Time will tell!
Trisher
When I say-
" There is something rotten going on and I don't think the numerous Labour MP's who have reported harrassment are liars but it seems to me that is exactly what some Corbyn supporters believe."
I am not thinking of 'who is responsible' for a particular female Labour MP's need for protection , time will tell if it is one , two, numerous people responsible. It is not a problem either for just one Labour MP there are several experiencing similar harassment and it is a disgrace our politicians are being so vilely treated and indeed threatened.
I am thinking of the many 'evidence based' reports, interviews,media articles that are being dismissed as propaganda, right wing attacks, unproven bla bla bla by what are now commonly known as Corbynistas.
It's like there is a mass, selective, denial of anything that proves, demonstrates how Corbyn, McDonnell, Momentum et al are behaving with regard to matters such as deselection of Labour MP's who go against Corbyn, the actions of Momentum etc., oddly even when it is clearly available to read, hear and see from the horses mouth themselves.
Well momentum has won again, they are in control of the party, the NEC spent eight hours discussing the selection of the shadow cabinet. Tom Watson put forward returning to pre 2011 when MP's elected the shadow cabinet . Corbyn wants party members to have a vote.
So all those students will have to forget their studies and take the advice of the corbynites here, start checking up the voting records and speeches of 230 MP's, sound advice !
This is Corbyn proving he really means it when he says he wants to work closer with and unit the labour MP's, and as usual is doing so for the members
Lying little toad
Farron appealed for labour voters to support the the Libs to stop the Tories winning the next election, and I think many will
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