Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party

Nobody has said the MPs are liars POGS but until there is real evidence some of us prefer to keep an open mind about who is responsible. The abuse is illegal and the police are investigating, it would be reasonable for everyone to refrain from passing judgement or allotting blame until that investigation is complete.
Of course some prefer to cast aspersions and blame without any evidence.
It has just occurred to me that an MP who feared deselection might find it useful to blame those who were threatening him with deselection. But I wouldn't say this was happening because I simply don't know.

There is something rotten going on POGS, I know some of the MP's who cannot support .corbyn, who do not trust him, who do I believe the MP's who are being threatened with deselection or Corbyn , McDonald, Galoway, McClusky & Co ?

No one needs three guesses,

I cannot forget Corbyn sitting passively whilst one of his own female MP's was being bullied by a momentum supporter and his explanation - I wasn't the chairman . Yet straight after the meeting he was filmed laughing with the bully.

His reply when asked by a reporter about the threats to women MP's being threatened - I have been threatened to

Who stipulated it was Momentum or a Momentum member, it might be it might not but they are not receiving one or two vile threats they are numerous?.

The question was who could the female MP be, if true, and these two are having an horrendous time at the moment, along with plenty of others Angela Eagle for example, male and female. It's's how some weak, feeble minded people behave because of anonymity but I hope that changes and there are prosecutions to follow.

There is something rotten going on and I don't think the numerous Labour MP's who have reported harrassment are liars but it seems to me that is exactly what some Corbyn supporters believe.

How do you know it was a man Anniebach? Another example of an assumption based on inadequate information. What do you suggest he does to anonymous abusers? The matter is being dealt with by the police which is exactly what should happen.

Corbyn does nothing about the abuse and threats , just a gentle little - I am against violence. He has no control over the power of Momentum he is willing to be their puppet so he can remain leader, suppose they are using each other.

If the threat was written the man could have brought up Cornbyns name, said he was defended Corbyn, or similar

Is it Momentum? One wonders how many times Corbyn has to say that he opposes any form of racism. His political record certainly shows this. The article credits the abuse of Ruth Smeeth to "an anonymous and anti-Semitic supporter of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn."

If the abuser is anonymous how can they be known to be a member of Momentum? Or a Corbyn supporter for that matter?
It's a bit like saying cats have fur, this animal has fur so it must be a cat, when it might very well be a bear. Drawing inaccurate conclusions from the known facts is one of the worst features of journalism today.

With regard to the comment a female Labour MP is under protection it could be one of many but my guess is Ruth Smeeth or Louise Ellman.

www.theguardian.com/membership/2016/sep/13/louise-ellman-mp-liverpool-riverside-labour

Jewish MP Louise Ellman faces “high level of hostility” from Momentum | Red Box - The Times

www.stokesentinel.co.uk/mp-ruth-smeeth-given-special-police-protection-after-threats-and-8216-vile-abuse-8217/story-29678545-detail/story.html

DD yes - it must have been the same one I saw --- I know exactly what you mean about the courses too - and known deputy heads who have been and come back exactly the same!!

Daphnedil

If you are talking about Daily Politics with Polly Toynbee then her name is Claudia Webbe. She was one of the 6 candidates that Momentum backed for the roles in the NEC. ALL 6 MOENTUM BACKED NOMINATIONS WON!

This was posted prior to the election by MOMENTUM

CALLING FOR CORBYN AND HIS TEAM IN THE NEC ELECTIONS - LETS BUILD OUR MOVEMENT!

"Jeremy desperately needs a team who support him and our shared vision for a more democratic, equal and decent society. Help us phone Momentum members to talk to them about fast approaching NEC elections (National Executive Committee). The best thing we can do to support Jeremy and the movement right now is to ensure that people who support Jeremy and his policies are elected to Labour's NEC.

The NEC is the highest governing body in the party, and plays a big role in internal decision-making and the Party's direction. Now more than ever it is important that Jeremy has a NEC that can support him, and we can do that by supporting the CLGA (Campaign for Labour Grassroots Alliance) team who are:

Rhea Wolfson, Anne Black, Christine Shawcroft, Darren Williams, Claudia Webbe, Peter Willsman. More information here.

"There is little time between now and when voting closes, so make sure to join us at the TSSA building to make a difference to how the Labour Party can support Jeremy."

www.peoplesmomentum.com/calling_for_corbyn_let_s_build_our_movement_20160714_1

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/momentum-backed-candidates-sweep-labour-8590476

This is just one more fact showing the strength of Momentum.

dd I agree, if she was the same person on the Daily Politics? And humourless with it!

She didn't give a name dd.

@Welshwife

I was watching somebody called Claudia (something) on TV this morning. Apparently she's a newly elected member of the NEC. I don't know whether she's a Momentum member, but she was voted in by the 'members' (whoever they are). She reminded me of those teachers who get sent on headship courses and come back full of bull$hit and ideological waffle, using the same jargon, which they repeat over and over again.

Did Anna Soubry say who the Jewish female MP was?

Luciana Berger, the MP for Wavertree, has said that she's had to add security measures to her house as a result of threats. However, one person has been charged with making death threats. He had nothing to do with Momentum, but is a racist/antisemitic scumbag. She has had a number of threats, but I'm not aware any of them have been linked to Momentum.

Of course, it could be a different MP. Just wondering.

Terribull

Yes I saw it and she had a point about John McDonnell and his history with 'language' and I don't just mean his latest incident calling Labour MP's who vote no confidence in Corbyn 'Fu----g Useless'. He has form but passes them off as jokes or repeating what others have said because he is as good as Campbell at that sort of thing.

It was amusing watching the usual ' I am not going to make this personal' clap trap turn into the total opposite, a slanging match. Especially those two who are in my opinion quite Macheavelian by nature in their political field.

I don't know if anyone here saw last Thursday's QT where Anna Soubry (not very keen on her) made the assertion that John McDonnell was "a nasty piece of work". She also said that it was shameful that there is at least one Jewish female MP who has to live in a "safe house". She further went on to say something along the lines of, and which I do agree with, any government needs a strong and robust oppostion to hold them to account and if we don't have that, it's not good for democracy. I have no idea whether her comments about John McDonnell are justified because I'm not au fait with the dynamics in the Labour party and haven't been on the political threads for a while so am not up to date, but can see that since Jezza's initial election as leader, some of you are no longer enamoured with him. I believe there was a bit of a behind the scenes dust up between John McDonnell and fellow panelist Alistair Campbell.

I know very little about Momentum - in fact I first heard about it on here - I have however seen a spokesperson from the group on two separate occasions being interviewed /in a discussion on a couple of news type programmes. I must say I was in no way impressed with them or their arguments and would not vote for anyone I thought had a lot to do with them.
It is a pity that the system in UK is in such disarray - if you don't want to vote Tory and are not impressed by the the current Labour set up it does then leave it to the Lib Dems - at least Tim Farron seems to be a tad with it all.

Anniebach

09.30

I think you have hit the nail on the head.

Durhamjen

You asked me yesterday if I was going to watch the Ken Loach film to which I answered I would look at it.

I thought your link on the Lib Dem Thread , (why the hell that has turned into a Labour thread I don't know), was to the film but it is not.

How can I view the film , do you have a link?. I am thinking it may not be for ' public viewing' only activists and those attending pro Corbyn rallies but on that point I am happy to be told differently. If I have missed a link to the actual film then it is a genuine mistake and I apologise upfront.

They couldn't manipulate people if they were truthful

I watched them ( the programmes) and all I can say is they are a deceitful bunch who don't even have the courage to be truthful about anything at all.

So much to read POGS, thank you

Durhamjen

Did you watch the Dispatches or Panarama programmes.

Durhamjen

I'll tell you what I think about Ken Loach and his Left Unity Party. I remember you advocated Left Unity once on GN along with The Greens and the NHA.

How you can possibly put Ken Loach/Left Unity forward and use the word 'balance' in the same breath!

"The 66 Labour MPs were 'named and shamed' by LEFT UNITY, a separate anti-austerity political party which has recently considered joining forces with Labour since Mr Corbyn was elected Labour leader.

Minutes after the vote was announced the group tweeted out the 66 "Labour warmongers" along with the banner: "DESELECT them now". They repeated their message on Thursday morning:"

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-mps-who-backed-syria-air-strikes-hit-back-after-jeremy-corbyn-supporters-threaten-deselection-a6758656.html

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"The CPGB(Communist Party of Great Britain), and Communist Platform supporters, have always thought that the idea dominant in LEFT UNITY that there was a large political space to the left of Labour for a ‘broad party’ on a broadly left-Labourite platform and organisational principles was illusory. Jeremy Corbyn’s victory in the Labour leadership election blew up this illusion. Under the circumstances, the only possible future for LEFT UNITY would be to build itself as an instrument of MARXIST regroupment, on political and organisational principles which represent a clear alternative to Labourism; and to pose in relation to Labour the question of breaking the system of bans and proscriptions, in order to turn the Labour Party into a united front of the whole workers’ movement.

Since Corbyn’s victory a part of LEFT UNITY’s members, including leading comrades, have ‘voted with their feet to leave LU and JOIN LABOUR ’"

cpgb.org.uk/pages/news/100/why-were-out-of-left-unity/

I will watch the film but why do you think Ken Loach with this history can be seen as a person to give 'balance'?

So it doesn't matter what I say, it's what you think that is the truth, is that what you are saying?

No point in saying anything any more to you, then, is there.
I would appreciate it if you just ignored my posts, as you do not believe me.

If you read my post properly, you will see I have NOT denied having been contacted by Momentum.
There are a lot of Corbyn supporters on here, but not many Smith supporters.
You are going to be lonely.