Well that was interesting. I should say Panarama was also enlightening but not as forceful and uncompromisingly direct in it's reporting content as Dispatches.
I'm not going to simply post on the Lib Dem Thread which has turned into a Labour Thread as I think this programme summed up exactly what I have thought and have been posting since the formation of Momentum , it is a ' Party within a Party.'
I will say now to those who will see it as propaganda and take umbrage at my post you cannot argue with what you see and hear from the horses mouth, no matter how hard you might try and no doubt will.
The fact Momentum are doing all they can to play down the Momentum name in connection to the ' Jeremy for Labour ' Campaign , the use of the Unite Union office are significant, the way the reporter was paid is serious stuff and I hope there is further investigation into that. Will anybody take it up I wonder?.
Has anybody 'Cicked' on the ' Jeremy for Labour ' Campaign or answered questions on the phone in connection with it. The reason I ask is if you have you are, as I understood it, on the data base on the Jeremy For Labour Services?. Listen to what is said about it , you may not be too happy, or maybe you will of course.
There is to be fair a Momentum explanation and statement at the end of the programme but it is worth viewing to make your own mind up if you didn't catch it.
Little englanders yet again
You are breaking new rules speaking of Wales , it's now considered stirring
The leader of the Welsh government didn't support either Corbyn or Smith in the leadership contest, this is how fair Welsh Labour leader is , seems England could learn from Wales
'John McDonnell and several Owen-Smith backing Labour figures such as Chuka Umunna have called for party unity.
At last night’s LabourList rally Umunna, former shadow business secretary, emphatically encouraged Labour MPs and members who didn’t support Jeremy Corbyn in the leadership election to stay in the party. Umunna said a split would not solve Labour’s problems. His thoughts were echoed by Wes Streeting MP who said Labour must find a way to come together.'
Can't see the word 'demand' here.
The Welsh Labour leader also appeared scornful of suggestions from within Labour in recent months that the party could form electoral pacts with other left-of-centre parties, including Welsh nationalists Plaid Cymru.
“Politics in Wales is not as tribal, because the nature of the Assembly’s electoral system means we have to work with other parties in a way that isn’t really required most of the time in Westminster,” he said, but added: “Electoral pacts are tougher. Who would have an electoral pact with? Making coalitions and arrangements after an election is legitimate. The public would expect parties, if they don’t have a majority, to talk to other parties.”
This is Carwyn Jones talking to Labourlist.
It's quite strange, really, because the only reason he is the leader of the Assembly is because of a pact with Plaid Cymru.
rather amusing Obieone, demanding unity, new definition of democracy ! We demand unity , very Putin
Calls for unity from the group that caused the problem. I know the scenario well.
Next step - there will be calls from them to say that they can be trusted.
And fancy asking Anniebach if she is really a Labour Party member. What a cheeky post.
Unity? when the only country in the UK which has a labour government isn't allowed to be spoken of
Because I speak of the snub to the Welsh .government I am stirring ?
Who mentioned Momentum and the CL P?
Talk of the north of England is permitted but mention Wales and it's stirring
Very controlling, mmmmm
Maybe time to stop stirring it now anniebach and respond to the calls for unity?
I am not aware of anyone in my CLP who has joined momentum. But we do want to stop the squabbling and get on with fighting the tories.
Corbyn has angered the Welsh Labour Party, he has refused to allow our leader to choose a Welsh person to sit on the NEC . Revenge for not having the support of the Welsh government during the leadership election perhaps, he and Caerwen do not get on anyway
I repeat - I do not have ALL the answers but I do have experience of canvassing in constituencies which are considered target seats and I know the responses when asking for their vote . I also live in a constituency which was labour for many years, untill the boundary changes, since it has gone then Tory, Libs , Tories, Libs, it is now Tory . I think next time it will go lib, some labour members have left the party and are goIng lib .
If anyone wants the views of voters get out into Tory and Lib marginals , best not to accuse the voter of ranting if they don't fall to their knees at the mention of the name Corbyn
There is also the threat of UKIP
Listening to Ian Lavery at the moment.
They want to listen to the members.
The past we inherit, the future we build.
Exactly, Annie. You don't have the answers, you just criticise those who want to try to focus on them.
Unlike most corbynites here I do not have all the answers , so stop sniping just because I do not agree Corbyn is a good leader
So how do you think Labour can appeal to those people I mentioned Anniebach presumably as a member of Labour First you have all the answers. Although it seems to me if it is a choice between the Tories and a right wing labour party they are even more lightly to stick with the Tories. A proper range of policies offering a real alternative to austerity might at least interest them. Are you really a Labour party member? Your posts are so pro Tory.
Careful Rosesarered, you will be accused of ranting by one poster .
Momentum are dangerous and will do all they can to take over the Labour party, well they have really , Corbyn is dependant on them ,
Sorry, if you weren't watching ,.....Momentum.
ab has just stated a fact, nothing more, nothing less.
Just been watching an extended Daily Politics, does anybody really think they are not on a mission to infiltrate and take over wherever they can, intimidating as they go.How does THAT fit with a gentler different way of doing politics.
Sorry, Annie, I thought you were supposed to care for the homeless and the unemployed. Next you'll be saying it's their fault they are homeless and unemployed.
I agree Petra, there are far more in employment and with houses than unemployed or homeless.
Trisher refers to a lot of people being disadvantaged by the Tory cuts. I think that human nature shows us that a great number of people would rather stay with the devil they know than the devil they don't.
What else did you disagree with daphne?
It's not just the problem with SMEs! It's the way the benefits system works and he didn't even acknowledge that. I doubt if he even realises there's a problem. Sorry, I'm not holding my breath.
In his speech he recognised both the problem with the self employed and the SMEs and stated that Labour would work with both to ensure neither were disadvantaged.
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