Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party

Personally I'd go more for the middle-aged hippies and the students rather than the right-wing, almost-but-not-quite- Tory, professional politicians Labour First are collecting.
But then I'm probably an ageing hippie myself. Some of us in spite of age cling to left-wing principles.
Can we now be as abusive as we like about people who join groups within the Labour party? Especially as some of us have been condemned as Corbynistas and members of Momentum because we simply pointed out that Corbyn was the only likely winner of the leadership challenge.

I ask again Anniebach, what are you hoping to achieve by continuing in this vein?

I don't think that Corbyn is the "new messiah", and I don't expect any of the Gransnetters on here who have expressed support for him think he is either. Some people disagree with your opinions and I don't think you repeating the same scornful comments over and over again is likely to change that.

What is so wrong with Tom Watsons proposal for choosing the shadow cabinet?

Do you realy believe party members know all the labour MP's better than they know themselves when they work together daily ?

Jen has said all party members need to do is check their voting record order and speeches, who has time to do this ?

How can Corbyn rabbit on sbout being united but refuses to include the MP's

A spokesperson for momentum is now saying momentum are working on their way of promoting Corbyn for the election .

Good grief , middle aged hippies and students will win over middle England

Anyone want to start opposing the Tories? Easy peasy at the moment and far more satisfying

I post my opinion of Corbyn as a leader and a politician and I am sniping

Others give there opinions on 170 MP's, former leaders and they are not sniping?

The Tories will win the next election not because of my opinion of Corbyn but because of Corbyn .

Corbynites think because they think Corbyn is the new messiah the majority of voters in the country will think the same .

McDonald said this morning the shadow cabinet had worked out their plans for fighting in the Brexit campaign, Angela Eagle and Hilary Benn discussed it with Corbyn AND McDonald who decided to do it their way .

I have said countless times Corbyn let the party down in the Brexit campaign but no, the Corbynites will not have it, the members of the shadow cabinet who resigned were to blame for leaving the shadow cabinet, not Corbyn for refusing to work as a team

anniebach There have now been two elections and Corbyn has increased his majority, despite many people being prevented from voting.

Despite this, those who are disgruntled about the result have demonstrated that they have no intention whatsoever of ceasing their neverending sniping. If these people - including you - continue to keep bashing Corbyn and saying that Labour will never win, they are highly likely to bring about that very outcome.

What exactly do you want to achieve by this? I think it is true that the vast majority of Labour members and politicians have more to unite than divide them. Why can't we now focus on challenging the Conservatives, who are looking pretty shaky at the moment. While all this is going on, they are being let off the hook.

Who is the prodigal son, devorgilla?
Corbyn won the election, and he is being treated as if he is the prodigal son by the likes of Tristram Hunt and Hilary Benn.

Ditto Jen

I didn't say you disagreed with whitewave.
Whitewave suggested that you try to write positive things, and you have just written negative since then.
Corbyn asked that we start again, forget about what has happened over the last year and try to get on, but you can't , can you?

It's going to get very boring if you just write the same things over and over and over again.

Hang on , I have not disagreed with whitewave, and I did not say I would not criticise your messiah , you are goading post after post, what on earth is wrong with you.

Accept this , I do not trust Corbyn I have said why , so back of with your goading please, you seem to have forgotten all the lectures you have given on democracy . If may I suggest you set whitewave as a good example not ?McDonald

dj, you need to remember the Parable of the Prodigal Son who was forgiven without any conditions attached. That is what I expect if he is really serious about uniting the Party. You forgive, forget and move on. If you can't then it is not worth the effort. Be honest about it. Broad Church Party, every one welcome to contribute - or only if we let you. Only time will tell.

I thought you wanted to hold out the hand of friendship to whitewave.
You are just doing your normal criticising again.
Any excuse and you just can't help it, can you?

He did more campaigning on Brexit than anyone else in the labour party. Statistics show it.
He did far more than May, and she's PM and in charge of Brexit.

Half a million? So he only needs to win another 11 or 12 million votes and he gets the key to no 10

I think he is sly Devo, he dodged full campaigning during the Brexit campaign because he wanted out , has said so often enough.

It is said McDonald is the power behind him , perhaps sly is unkind, not sure, but McDonald's puppet

In fairness to JC I do not believe he himself gets involved in any shenanigans. Can't say the same about everyone he surrounds himself with. Half a million people? Only an idiot would think they are all of the 'honest, kind and gentler politics.

Yes, AB, I did notice the heavies getting into the lift with him at Conference.

Devorgilla, did you read the article by Andy Burnham, saying that the PLP never gave Corbyn a day's grace after he was elec ted last year?
They haven't given him a chance this day either. It seems they only will if he goes to them on bended knee.
What's wrong with them having a third each?

Last year he gave front bench jobs to the rebels. They plotted against him from the first day.
Why should he do so again?

Nice of you, Annie. He wants to give you a vote on who should be in the shadow cabinet, too. You are a woman, are you not? How should he differentiate between her and you?

There are actually quite a few stupid MPs. How should he differentiate? Should they have to pass the exam on the British constitution in order to have a vote?

Hi Devo, nice to see you back, could have done without the cheery Trump comment

Corbyn is gun fire proof, he stays behind bullet proof protection

Just listening to a woman from Momentum speaking on anti semitism she said - we now have the most anti racist leader ever . How can one be the most anti racist? One is either anti racist or racist, stupid woman, has she forgotten calling a woman a bigot helped cost Brown the election , and Corbyn is snubbing MP's to give this stupid women a vote on who should be in the shadow cabinet

Suppose she believes one can be a little bit pregnant

Yes, dj, I know it is Theresa at the helm. That's why we need a really first class opposition. You tell me it is JC. The political 'shooting season' is just beginning for this year. He had better be up to the job and uniting the party. The ball is in his court. He has to lure the moderates back not them coming on 'bended knee' as I read today. How establishment is that!

Careful, Annie. You've responded again. You're beginning to make a habit of it.

Unfortunately, Devorgilla, it's Theresa May at the helm.

Just returned from the old US of A where I fear from conversations I overheard we could end up with Trump in the Residence. Also, never met a single person, either from the States or elsewhere in the world, who felt our vote for Brexit was a good idea. Asked repeatedly why we did it. What else could we reply but Immigration, immigration, immigration.
Now we have JC back at the helm. Well, I believe in democracy so must live with that reality. He tells me he will wipe the slate clean and unite the party. I will await that outcome. In the meantime all the LP gets is my basic subscription, taken off Direct Debit, and no more, until I see proof of unity and real leadership. He now needs to reach out to the wider electorate, the ones who really matter at election time, who were not involved in this leadership election and convince them. Interesting days ahead I feel. It helps pass those dark nights in October through to April. I am encouraged by our new hierarchy to get more active. Believe me, I will.

Derek Hatton , the very well known Militant

Hope you never have to be saved by a fireman at the end of his shift, roses.
The FBU are saying the same as the BMA, unfair and unsafe.