Jeremy and the future

They only lap it up if it's what they want to hear ( from anyone) and Corbyn's forte is giving rousing speeches to the initiated, in fact, if that was ALL he was required to do, he would excel.

I agree with whitewave, there was hysteria during the thatcher years, thry roared with laughter when Kenny Everet mocked Muchael Foots disability, sick

I can't stand hysterical hero worship,

Really? How macabre...

Blimey ana did you never watch the Tory conference when Thatcher was around. They can teach anyone about hysterical hero worship. In fact there is still a rump who would dig her up if they could!

Although I doubt May's will generate such hysterical hero-worship!

Love watching the BBC economic commentator Norman thingy wriggling uncomfortably under the journalists welcome acceptance of his speech.

Every party leaders speech is lapped up

Will you say the same about Mays speech? Because the members - of which there are 23 - will do the same

Just watched the Corbyn speech, the members lap it up as always.

Day6 is not disillusioned! what a patronising thought because it does not chime with your own thoughts, she/he is a realist who sees that no Government of any political colour is going to get it all right, or stamp out poverty forever.

Personal abuse? ?..GracesGran could give a Master Class in it.
ygg you naturally prefer posts that agree with you ( don't we all.)

Gracesgran is just as guilty, probably even more so!

As the starter of this thread, I am happy to see GG and some others agreeing with me. I am sad that Day6 is so disillusioned, though I can see where she is coming from, it is hard sometimes to keep thinking there could be another way.
And rose, please stop the personal abuse and keep it general.

Day6 I am really not sure what you are trying to prove in your post but things have changed and then sadly changed again.

I just think of the men and women who had to wait outside factory gates to get a days work. This changed and I doubt that anyone on here had anything but reasonable job security. Sadly this has now changed again so that instead of waiting at the factory gates people are waiting for a text to know whether they have work or not. Do you really think that is OK? I feel we will hear the third verse of All Things Bright and Beautiful being sung again by those who look back and say "it was ever thus":

The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate,
God made them high and lowly,
And ordered their estate.

Except lines three and four would be sung as

We made them high and lowly
While the Tories were "the state"

daphne be careful you'll give them ideas!

Maybe people could 're-educate' themselves

Perhaps, if they fail to do so, Corbyn could set up a Ministry of Truth if he becomes PM.
Otherwise Room 101 could be awaiting those who think differently.

There's always fresh air. People could be made to wear a mask (heavy fine if not worn) and put money in a slot if they want to breathe.

The Tories are currently looking at privatising parks- there isn't much else left. Even the Victorians believed working people needed a place to exercise for free!!!

I never understand the nostalgia for a time when people were worse off. Do such posters want to return to those times?

Privatising and selling off public utilities has had a much greater effect.
I really did think that Labour would stop, if not reverse, that trend, at least with water.

May I repeat the post I made that actually mattered to me:

I certainly feel sad when I realise this government is telling a country as rich as ours that we cannot afford care for my soon to be 96 year old mother who struggles more and more with her dementia and even more sad when I think of others worse off than her who are left half dressed or not toileted because the government does not think we can afford proper time for proper care for people who are worse off than my DM is and who don't have a 'me' to fight their corner.

I also feel sad that this government tells us that this country, which we are reminded constantly by posters such as yourself, is the fifth or sixth richest in the world, cannot afford to invest in the health of those who need it to the level other rich countries do.

I am also sad that this government believes we cannot afford to educate our children but where there is money to spare we will segregate a small section of society and offer them an increased budget whether or not it actually improves education for them or for any children.

I am sad that the government does not feel we can offer housing to those we need to work to keep our business and industry going. I am sad that these people are undervalued but even sadder that the government of our rich country feels increasing homelessness is OK.

I am sad that, in this rich country, the government thinks it is OK to have a system of help that is so poorly constructed it drives people to food banks where upon they receive vitriol from this government for their poverty.

Yes roses you are right, the country is not made up of only the poor and disabled; it is more and more made up of those who are now part of the 'gig' economy because, so this government tells us, companies earning vast fortunes for their shareholders cannot afford proper contracts or even to pay the minimum wage.

No roses (and I have said this many times so a bit of pot, kettle, black there) I do not "think that Corbyn is the best thing since sliced bread". What I do think is that he is offering an interesting view and he is saying, to all those who now feel that the country just doesn't think they count, that there is another way. He is not saying to these people, as the Conservative government is, that we just cannot - or choose not to - afford you and your needs while we can and will look after the needs to those who are grasping more and more of the riches of this very rich country.

I apologise to those wishing to discuss the subject that I allowed myself to be diverted.

Watching Corbyns speech - very middle of the road.

Maybe people could 're-educate' themselves (no need for an external provider), in order to formulate more informed opinions. I have never claimed to be right, but it's frustrating not to be proved wrong.

PS. Gordon Brown's sale of gold did temporarily cause the price of gold to go down, but it's hardly a significant factor in today's economy. Privatising and selling off public utilities has had a much greater effect.

Day6
Your post has so many inaccuracies I can only repudiate a few.
Firstly no one has proposed that children should be educated in mixed ability classes, what is proposed is that all children should be offered the same opportunities in education and only a comprehensive system can do this. Grammar schools never really worked and there is considerable evidence to show this.
Secondly my mother was raised in the 1930s and suffered considerably more deprivation than any one in the 1950s. I cannot remember when I was growing up any working families who could not afford to feed their children but needed a foodbank, nor were there people sleeping rough on the street. I do remember the shock of the film "Cathy Come Home" and the determination that no family should be in that position again.
Yes the NHS is expensive but it requires commitment to fund it properly and any idea that this government is that can easily be contradicted by the huge top-down reorganisation that cost a fortune and is still on-going, and the dispute with the junior doctors.
This government believes in a low-tax economy where public services are cut to the minimum, the natural result of this is that the poor and disadvantaged will suffer. It is a concept that many of us find distasteful to say the least, but I can see that some find this quite acceptable. If this is the case that's fine but saying that circumstances cannot be changed and we must accept these things is not true. We have an alternative it may require the better off to pay more in taxes but personally I would rather do that and have proper social care.