Jeremy and the future

Yes daphne, I do . Whilst the conference was taking place , McClusky and the communist party were at momentum calling for de selection for any MP who didn't support Corbyn. Such intelligent people are not going to risk that, they have more chance of saving the party by staying in it . Over the years I have met quite a few labour MP's everyone was/is passionate about the party , it realy is like a family and now the Family is in serious trouble , they will want to stay and fight for Labour

And there were lots of Reds hiding under beds all over the place!

Immigrants can be refugees.

They have no need to hide under the bed now they have Corbyn to defend them. It has taken him thirty years to get them back into the party but back they are.

Obieone, I think there is a difference, a refugee is without a home and country, an immigrant wants a better life,

You are right Anniebach, now what we need to do is solve a humanitarian crisis. We've got to welcome 1 million+ into how beautiful land.

Have we got our priorities wrong, so much talk of the problems of integrating , I doubt refugees are more concerned with intergrating than fleeing bombs and gassing.

I would be. It is going to get worse. Russia is refusing to accept any blame for the latest atrocities. The latest war weapon is the starvation and maiming of children. B------DS!!!!!!

You would be what whitewave?

Refugees come here with nothing, not even birth certificate.
The one thing that they do know is how to claim benefits including OAP, when asked how old, they are quite happy to put 10 years on their age. Anybody knows enough to challenge me on that.

Daphnedill - regarding immigrants. "British employers are making money from them, because they work hard, fill skills shortages and often accept worse pay and working conditions."

You said it. That is EXPLOITATION. The EU encourages migration and it drives an austerity budget. People all over Europe are having to compete for jobs and the ones who'll take the smallest pay-packet and longest hours are employed.

How some of the liberal left supported the EU and this capitalism in it's worst form is beyond me. These exploited workers, many of them in the UK, have no Union representation either.

It's disgusting - just a few notches up from slavery and supported by of all parties, Labour, who wanted the flood of immigration to continue, so bosses could get rich on the back of it!

This was one of the reasons why most of my left-wing Labour supporting friends wanted Brexit. This would have continued. No wonder big bosses wanted us to remain in the EU.

Anniebach - "Daphne, the shadow chancellor doesn't share your opinion of labour back benchers, he called then f*****g losers , hardly very competent are they?"

Good point AB. The Labour party still consists of Corbyn supporters and the rest. We all know it. This is why reports of the rift being healed because Corbyn has been elected leader are bogus.

The party is split, and Labour supporters are split. For every one jubilant Corbyn supporter interviewed after the result was annpunced there were at least two subdued party members who weren't overjoyed.

I don't dislike Corbyn but I believe he does have a divisive agenda and the hard left love it. It's not a vote-winning strategy and all the back benchers accused of being "losers" by the shadow chancellor are not going to be united by JC's leadership being confirmed, no matter how many times they grin through their clenched teeth and say 'We have to accept the result".

A good article here about how Corbyn should approach the problem of immigration.

theconversation.com/how-jeremy-corbyn-can-solve-the-immigration-conundrum-66291

I think it's what he is trying to do.

What rubbish, not all people who are now against immigration are zenophobic , some are fearful. Typical criticism from a middle class academic. I stopped reading when I reached his zenophobic slur

Does he have children on the waiting list for social housing

Has he any idea there are parts of the country where communities are so important ,

I do understand why some are fearful

Zenophobia is defined as dislike or prejudice against people from other countries, he is accusing people he does even know of being racist

Maybe you should read the rest of it, then, before saying a senior lecturer in the department of politics at Liverpool university writes rubbish.

I think you are letting your dislike of me get in the way of your objectivity.

Zenophobia is the last desperate cry of people who have no idea of real life. Another "Guardian Reader" Academic.
I have had a lot of contact with immigrants in the past and you would be surprised how many of them want limited immigration as they are aware of the social problems it brings,

This is an article about Rachel Reeves comments on immigration, as mentioned in the first article.

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2016/09/28/rachel-reeves-comments-on-immigration-could-encourage-hate-a

written by a professor of Law and Human Rights at the university of Essex. Doubtless he's talking rubbish as well.

There's that word again in the title - 'could'. Not 'will', just 'could'. Or could just as well not.

Zenophobia - fear of Zen. Maybe some people need a bit of enlightenment.

Fearful is exactly what xenophobic means Anniebach
Dictionary definitions of xenophobia include: "deep-rooted fear towards foreigners" (Oxford English Dictionary; OED), and "fear of the unfamiliar" (Webster's). The word comes from the Greek words ξένος (xenos), meaning "strange", "foreigner", and φόβος (phobos), meaning "fear".
Maybe you ought to carry on reading.
As we approach the anniversary of Cable Street let's remember that the Labour party once stood together with all the anti-fascists supporting the Jewish families in London and let us hope that the spirit of Cable Street resounds in all our dealings with immigrants.
www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/sep/30/thefarright.past

Maybe some people need to calm down,

Hmm...not really on to draw attention to misspellings, is it?

Maybe you ought to carry on reading

Maybe some posters need to think before they post, some threads are becoming quite spiteful.

durhamjen sometimes revered professors in renowned institutions are not really in touch with the real world, only with their own academic view of it.
Epitomised by Mary Beard when she appeared on QT in East Anglia, started pontificating about what it was like to live there and was shouted down by audience members who actually do live there.

@Im68

No, I don't know enough to challenge you. However, do you know what percentage of immigrants are refugees ie. have been granted asylum? My guess is that it's a very small percentage of the total, but am happy to be proved wrong. It seems like you're taking a sledge hammer to crack a very small nut.